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What are goods originating in the United States ?
February 7, 2025
1:21 am
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Who needs patriotism when the counter-tariffs will be making US-sourced goods so expensive?

When the Canada-US free trade treaty was being argued, some pundits were saying that it didn't matter because such a large proportion of goods crossing the border were not tariffed.

But that's BECAUSE nobody bothered to try to buy or sell those goods through tariffs. They did their job, as intended: reducing cross-border competition.

And what about reducing interprovincial barriers to trade across Canada? Last time that was tried, with beer, all the Canadian beer companies bought each other out until they had the entire market shared between the two survivors. As they'd promised, it made them more profitable.

They they both sold out at great profit to foreign makers - in the US and Brazil, if I recall. And the Canadian beer industry is a ruin of struggling and bankrupt craft breweries.

(No, I don't drink beer.)

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February 7, 2025
4:10 am
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HermanH said

mordko said
Something tells me you haven’t visited a shop in the last 7 days.

I'm in 3-4 different grocery stores and chains every single day; far more than you.

 

Congrats.

I visited a supermarket once over this period. Everyone (and I mean everyone) was inspecting the products like I’ve never seen before. They were checking for place of origin.

February 7, 2025
12:28 pm
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mordko said
I visited a supermarket once over this period. Everyone (and I mean everyone) was inspecting the products like I’ve never seen before. They were checking for place of origin.  

In that same period, I have seen no one bothering to read the labels. They just pick what they want and put it in their basket.

February 7, 2025
3:16 pm
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.... or have they already determined which Canadian products they will buy? Get on board.

February 7, 2025
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HermanH said

Patriotism and pride are luxuries easily measurable; they are affordable only by those willing to pay their price. If one wants to pay 30%+ more for their basic groceries, then they get to have principles. They are not free. Otherwise, they do what they must.

A good quote from The Patriot movie (2000):

Benjamin Martin: I'm a parent. I haven't got the luxury of principles.

  

So if they are "easily measurable" please let me know how they are measured & what the results are? Thanks

February 8, 2025
12:09 am
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The measure is the additional price paid for goods. If you are willing to pay an additional 100% over the market price for your goods (but not a penny more) simply to flaunt your patriotic virtue, then that is the price of your pride. Easy, exact, and finite measurement.

February 8, 2025
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Everything is "worth" exactly what someone is willing to pay for it.

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February 8, 2025
5:02 am
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HermanH said
The measure is the additional price paid for goods. If you are willing to pay an additional 100% over the market price for your goods (but not a penny more) simply to flaunt your patriotic virtue, then that is the price of your pride. Easy, exact, and finite measurement.  

You do not flaunt your patriotic virtue, you do not pay the price of your pride, why you do not live in USA? then you pay the price of your measure in USA.
USA is the country for your price of your measure; Canada is not the country for your price of your measure.

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February 8, 2025
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RetirEd said
Everything is "worth" exactly what someone is willing to pay for it.  

Sure is.

Canadians are angry at the US tarriffs. Buy Canadian and stop buying Americans is a way to protest, to show support to counter. I got it.

Everyone entitles to their opinions. Let's respect even if we disagree..

Btw, I take the word "patriots" very seriously as people who are willing to defend and die for a country's sovereignty.

February 8, 2025
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Please ...

When replying/responding to a message, please use the "Quote" so all of us know what you're replying to ...

Thank you ...

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February 8, 2025
9:42 am
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HermanH said
The 'buy Canadian' fad is just as silly as the 'boycott Loblaws' idiocy. Absolutely no effect whatsoever and totally negligible. Just a bunch of powerless self-important fools trying to make themselves feel significant.  

dommm said

What's the definition of condescending?  

Ditto Dommm

And in addition, what's the definition of . . .

Seems like most forums have at least one ... LOL sf-laugh

    Dean

sf-cool " Live Long, Healthy ... And Prosper! " sf-cool

February 8, 2025
9:46 am
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Loblaw CEO vows to minimize tariff impact.
 

Giant Tiger.
Giant Tiger's Weekly Flyer highlights:

PROUDLY CANADIAN SINCE 1961.
To find Canadian products, look for these signs in store.
Made in Canada
Product of Canada

Low price is what we do, we 're committed to helping Canadians save more every day

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February 8, 2025
10:05 am
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Buying Canadian, and non-american can help. This week essentially all groceries bought were product of Canada, and then oranges from Morocco, etc.

If/when the psychopath to the south does more economic warfare, likely the gov't will respond with tax breaks for Canadian based companies, and other measures.
But prices are going to go up. A 25% tariff will shut down a chunk of the auto industry in a couple weeks. If it gets to that point its an economic war. Obviously Musk and Trump want to steal the trillions of dollars in Canadian natural resources wealth.
Canada survived before free trade with the US, so can survive after it.
We have decided to not spend a nickle in the US while Trump is in office, and no one knows how long that is going to be.

February 8, 2025
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Btw, I take the word "patriots" very seriously as people who are willing to defend and die for a country's sovereignty.  

You might, but very few others are as serious. Oh, everyone likes to throw the term around and claim it, along with their DEI credentials and green lifestyle, but virtually no Canadian will ever have the moxie to actually die (or even sacrifice) for their nation's sovereignty; not even if the US army moves north and occupies every city. We'll just shrug it off, boo the American anthem, and that will be the end of it.

We put ourselves into this situation by allowing stupid fools to land-lock our oil resources. We could have built dikes and dams to protect from flooding the lower BC mainland. Instead, we squandered all that money in the name of trying to change/control the weather. Canadians voted them into office and kept them there for 9 years. Only now do we even entertain the discussion for pipelines (and STILL some idiots rail against them.) 10-years too late. We deserve everything we get.

February 8, 2025
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I asked the shopper in our family (a number of places virtually every day) and she said she has noticed zero difference in people checking labels, etc. I made a rare visit to a grocery store today, same impression.

Same with the folks I know who go to USA for some warmth, though there seems to be a bit more grumbling about how expensive it is down there, what with our dollar.

February 8, 2025
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HermanH said
The 'buy Canadian' fad is just as silly as the 'boycott Loblaws' idiocy. Absolutely no effect whatsoever and totally negligible. Just a bunch of powerless self-important fools trying to make themselves feel significant.  

How do you know there was no effect? Did you find some numbers proving such? Loblaws never said a word that I can find. In fact, they were eerily quiet but, of course, I didn't expect them to admit a loss. My wife quit shopping loblaws so that must have hurt. sf-wink

I suspect the buy Canadian movement will fizzle out in time. We have a mostly entitled population that will never accept sustained inconvenience.

Hang on folks its going to be a bumpy and expensive ride.

February 8, 2025
5:37 pm
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East of Manitoba gets lots of oil & natural gas from USA, people won't buy Florida oranges but I've heard zero, radio silence, re boycotting all that USA oil & gas - ??

February 8, 2025
6:06 pm
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Economists at TD forecasted the tariff impact using COVID for clues.
Economists at RBC: the longer the tariffs last, the greater the structural damage (i.e. permanent) on the economy.
Economists at CIBC Capital Markets said gross domestic product (GDP) could fall five per cent if the full magnitude of the tariffs is imposed and are “long lasting.” Inflation could rise to the top of the Bank of Canada’s target range, which is three per cent.

I remembered stock markets dropped more than 30% during CoVID pandemic. If you have stocks or investments, are you ready to lose 30% of your money?

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February 8, 2025
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Bill said
East of Manitoba gets lots of oil & natural gas from USA, people won't buy Florida oranges but I've heard zero, radio silence, re boycotting all that USA oil & gas - ??  

I do not have knowledge of crude oil, but I was told that oils are classified by its density: Light crude oil, Heavy crude oil .
Canada's sand oil is heavy crude oil, but most of our manufactories are for Light crude oil imported from USA.
Canada exports heavy crude oil to USA and import Light crude oil from USA.
Some of heavy crude oil from Albert, the pipeline goes to USA and back to east of Canada ( Ontario, Quebec). It is difficult decision that Canada will shut down the oil pipelines to USA because Ontario and Quebec need that oil.

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February 8, 2025
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People are referring to boycotts of imports from USA and my comment was about not hearing a thing about boycotting oil and gas imports from USA. Pipeline flows to USA is a different topic.

Some politicians are now saying we need a west-east all-in-Canada oil pipeline, so obviously it's something we lack.

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