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What are goods originating in the United States ?
February 2, 2025
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What are goods originating in the United States ? For example, a Honeywell HT900C Fan, is it a product originating in the US, it was designed by Honeywell in USA, but made in China.

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February 2, 2025
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I take it that you don’t want to contribute a USA company’s profit?

Who is profiting from the purchase of the fan? I would think it’s where it’s warehoused or who took your money.

Look at all the products built in Mexico for the USA. Like cars and air conditioners etc. Cheaper labor, knowingly contributing to pollution to air and water that would not be allowed in USA. But the USA company profits more than if made in USA, from the sale of the new item.

Is it a Solara built in USA using a Mitsubishi engine that classifies it as a Japanese import? Is it American or Japanese? If not sure, use your discretion.

Is it peanut butter made in Canada using peanuts from USA?

Would you buy a Toyota that’s built in USA?

Is it whatever that is “distributed” or “prepare for” by a Canadian company and you have do idea what’s the country source is?

Right now, do we stop shopping at American companies altogether like:
Starbucks.
Home Depot
MacDonalds
Burger King
Nordstroms
Amazon
Tesla
Etc.
Or continue shopping there but only for non American products.
Or penalize the American company’s bottom line by choosing products at a different retailer or restaurant.

Labelling in Canada needs to be improved to clearly state country of origin.

Look at the quick response items we buy here but is expedited to you from the USA.

Our great long term relationship with the USA is tarnished for ever. In hindsight we banked too much on relying on purchasing their products. Canada needs to diversify and change what countries to sell and buy from, permanently.

Not sure what part of Canada that you are in. But way way back there was a plan that BC, Washington, Oregon and California would be unto their own. Made sense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_movement

Do what you can do best. I know how I will do my part. And do keep in mind some items you will have to buy because there is no other alternative. I do like the idea of some of the provinces not selling and removing American liquor from their shelves. But BC is only doing that to liquor from the red states…..which kind of makes sense that California wine is not penalized as they are a good state to trade with.

So if you buy your fan from Rona…..you are still likely contributing to the American source while a Canadian company gains the profit.

And some hmmmmmmms

What if transport from Mexico to Canada is more heavily taxed for using the American road or rail systems?

What if 1% fentanyl is zeroed…..what will the next reason be, to keep the tariffs? The guy is a lunatic, is he not?

If Mexico or China supplies 80% of the fentanyl…..then why aren’t the tariffs much higher for them?

Why aren’t American companies compelled to produce products in USA that have been farmed out to Mexico and other off shore countries? Wouldn’t that be great?

Bottom line every country must clean up every step of illegal drug production and stop the distribution.

February 2, 2025
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No, of course he's a lunatic.

GIC-Fanatic: All our western countries have elaborate laws and treaties, including global and regional ones. specifying exactly what inputs and proportions classify country of origin.

Remember the Honda manufacturing plant employee uniforms that, having come from Japan (and likely contracted out to China anyway), pushed Honda Canada under the line for Canadian inputs in their autos assembled in Canada?

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February 2, 2025
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Your answer helped me to understand it. I can not figure out who is profiting from the purchase of the fan, I decided to pause the purchase or buy another brand.
Trump used an excuse ( fentanyl, illegals ) to impose 25% tariff on Canada because he broke the trade agreement he signed with Canada years ago, he wanted to destroy Canada then control Canada and Canadian, after Jan 20, he manipulated all countries in the world except Russia (0% tariff ) and China (he threated 60% then actually imposed 10%), he fired everybody against him in the court or something, all his secretary nominees repeated what he said or did what he told them.

I made a mistake as his supporter always in the past. I do not want to say but I have to accept this fact, Trump is dictator.

Canada has no choice but fights back with counter tariff.

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February 3, 2025
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I remember learning, 50-odd years ago, that a company whose name ended in "Canada Inc" was always a subsidiary of a company based in another country, usually the US.

This week I was told that items marked "Made in Canada" need only be 51% Canadian product whereas items marked "Product of Canada" must be at least 98% Canadian product. I haven't verified this.

February 4, 2025
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That's correct. Those are the requirements that such claims must meet to avoid Competition Bureau enforcement action.

This is from The Deceptive Marketing Practices Digest — Volume 4 (June 5, 2018):

Made in Canada Product of Canada
The Competition Bureau generally will not challenge a representation that a good is "Made in Canada" if at least 51% of the total direct costs were incurred in Canada, the last substantial transformation occurred in Canada and the representations include an appropriate qualifying statement, such as "Made in Canada with imported parts". "Product of Canada" is the designation reserved for goods almost wholly Canadian-made. The Competition Bureau generally will not challenge a representation that a good is a "Product of Canada" if at least 98% of the total direct costs were incurred in Canada and the last substantial transformation occurred in Canada.
February 4, 2025
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Loonie said
I remember learning, 50-odd years ago, that a company whose name ended in "Canada Inc" was always a subsidiary of a company based in another country, usually the US.

That makes sense. I wonder if that was a monitored regulation of some kind.
I worked for a large national (I guess international) and name ended with “limited”. We shortened our name and now ended in “inc.”. The reason given to us was…..the name would be same spelling on everything in both French and English. (Signs, stationary etc)

February 5, 2025
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As if the Competition Bureau ever takes enforcement action on anything for at least a few years!

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February 5, 2025
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Made in Canada vs. Product of Canada: Understanding labels to buy Canadian

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February 5, 2025
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The 'buy Canadian' fad is just as silly as the 'boycott Loblaws' idiocy. Absolutely no effect whatsoever and totally negligible. Just a bunch of powerless self-important fools trying to make themselves feel significant.

February 6, 2025
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HermanH said
The 'buy Canadian' fad is just as silly as the 'boycott Loblaws' idiocy. Absolutely no effect whatsoever and totally negligible. Just a bunch of powerless self-important fools trying to make themselves feel significant.  

What's the definition of condescending?

February 6, 2025
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Let me see. There are roughly 16 million households in Canada. Say half of those change their buying habits to purchase Canadian products. It would make a difference and besides Canadians should be buying Canadian goods regardless. It's a matter of principle that gets accentuated when an autocrat is threatening our country with outrageous tariffs.

February 6, 2025
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News reported millions of Canadian vacation in USA, that is about 2 billions of spendings.
If all Canadian vacation in Canada, that will be huge difference.

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February 6, 2025
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Kirk said
Let me see. There are roughly 16 million households in Canada. Say half of those change their buying habits to purchase Canadian products.

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News reported millions of Canadian vacation in USA, that is about 2 billions of spendings.

Absolutely mathematically possible, but only in a pipe-dream fantasy. No one is going to change their habits that drastically, much less 8 million households. The Loblaws boycott deservedly flopped. So will this.

Think of the various major grocery chains in Canada. There are five: Loblaws, Walmart, Save-On, Sobeys, and CostCo. If everyone (or, only half, as you suggest) were actually looking out for their maximal best interests, a couple of those chains should already be out of business, due to their higher prices. However, Canadians still frequent them enough because they are convenient, and nothing else; certainly not for their non-competitive pricing.

Even in the face of massive pressure on the costs of living, Canadian consumers cannot be bothered to change their shopping habits and drive (much less walk) 1km further from their current favourite grocery store for lower prices.

February 6, 2025
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HermanH said

Kirk said
Let me see. There are roughly 16 million households in Canada. Say half of those change their buying habits to purchase Canadian products.

usephrase said
News reported millions of Canadian vacation in USA, that is about 2 billions of spendings.

Absolutely mathematically possible, but only in a pipe-dream fantasy. No one is going to change their habits that drastically, much less 8 million households. The Loblaws boycott deservedly flopped. So will this.

Think of the various major grocery chains in Canada. There are five: Loblaws, Walmart, Save-On, Sobeys, and CostCo. If everyone (or, only half, as you suggest) were actually looking out for their maximal best interests, a couple of those chains should already be out of business, due to their higher prices. However, Canadians still frequent them enough because they are convenient, and nothing else; certainly not for their non-competitive pricing.

Even in the face of massive pressure on the costs of living, Canadian consumers cannot be bothered to change their shopping habits and drive (much less walk) 1km further from their current favourite grocery store for lower prices.  

I agree with most of what you say but the one piece of the puzzle you did not mention was pride/patriotism for the country. Not sure how one would measure that?

February 6, 2025
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dommm said
I agree with most of what you say but the one piece of the puzzle you did not mention was pride/patriotism for the country. Not sure how one would measure that?  

Patriotism and pride are luxuries easily measurable; they are affordable only by those willing to pay their price. If one wants to pay 30%+ more for their basic groceries, then they get to have principles. They are not free. Otherwise, they do what they must.

A good quote from The Patriot movie (2000):

Benjamin Martin: I'm a parent. I haven't got the luxury of principles.

February 6, 2025
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Something tells me you haven’t visited a shop in the last 7 days.

February 6, 2025
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HermanH said

Patriotism and pride are luxuries easily measurable; they are affordable only by those willing to pay their price. If one wants to pay 30%+ more for their basic groceries, then they get to have principles. They are not free. Otherwise, they do what they must.

I buy groceries and appliances, I do not go for vacation. I do not see prices of Canadian goods are higher.

You can choose stores selling at lower prices, for me, I choose Giant Tiger, Super store, Canadian tire. All 3 stores are Canadian stores and most of items at Canadian Tire carry a 1 year exchange warranty redeemable, this exchange policy is offered by Canadian Tire only, not American owner stores .

I also choose brands at lower prices. In general, I think food at Giant Tiger is cheaper than Walmart.

I do not think you understand about tariff, after Trump imposed tariff on Canada, Canada would fight back with 25% tariff on American, all prices of American goods would be increased, Canadian pay for the tariff. You will see the prices of American goods will be increased much in Canada.
You can search online to get an idea how much to increase.

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February 6, 2025
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I talked to 4 of my friends, all of them replied to buy Canadian. I believe almost all or most of Canadian are patriots, if we all buy Canadian, Canada will go through the difficulty time and avoid recession in Canada, which will be caused by Trump's tarrif.

By the way, one post on X said: Walmart store in his city has less customers now.

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February 6, 2025
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mordko said
Something tells me you haven’t visited a shop in the last 7 days.

I'm in 3-4 different grocery stores and chains every single day; far more than you.

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I do not think you understand about tariff, after Trump imposed tariff on Canada, Canada would fight back with 25% tariff on American, all prices of American goods would be increased, Canadian pay for the tariff. You will see the prices of American goods will be increased much in Canada.

I believe that it is you who are misunderstanding the tariff threat. The 25% is just the opening salvo. There is no guarantee it will end at that point. Next month could be another 25%, and the next month, and so forth. It was written right into the ExecOrder; subject to change if Canada invoked retaliatory tariffs. (I'm glad Canada retaliated.)

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