

1:55 pm
December 7, 2011

Edit by admin: this thread was split off from another thread about paper tax receipts
savemoresaveoften said
Just like whoever wants to keep an old fashioned land line, Bell is not giving u a discount if u insist u want one.
Yes, I do have an old fashioned land line from Bell and paying all time just under $30 (all taxes included) without any increase for over 20 years now.
Try to get reliable Bell landline, that works during power outages (not VOIP, that needs internet connection) for under $30 now.
I think that I have a discount price.
2:52 pm
January 12, 2019

7:51 pm
November 18, 2017

I kept my $30/month phone line for over 30 years, and I still have it. But it's cheaper now - just over ten bucks a month. Making inquiries about my bill one month, I happened to get referred to the "loyalty and retention" department, and they are usually quick to offer deals.
Last year, that phone company tried to convert me to VOIP, and I protested having to pay for power (and their units are not miserly in sucking it up!) and not having phone service during blackouts. It was a week of hell and no home phone until they sent someone, who said he couldn't install the VOIP because the fiber wasn't installed! Duh. He did something to a box down the street and now my home phone works fine, including during power failures.
Never admit to any business that you have an internet connection or E-mail. Many will immediately deny you services they would like to get rid of.
A WORD ABOUT PARANOIA:
http://www.theregister.com/202...../?td=rt-3a
for an update on a book by Bruce Schneier on invasion of digital privacy. The book was published in 2014, and its revelations are shocking - and what's been added in the last decade?
The book is Data and Goliath: The Hidden Battles to Collect Your Data and Control Your World. He also has a web site with many updates. It's important reading. And, no, I didn't just "wake up" from this one source, which I just read this week. I've been following the issue since the '80s, when the Canadian Parliament first acted to restrict storage of data on Canadians because they knew even then that the US (and probably other foreign powers) were scooping up all data - and later voice information - crossing the US border.
And every intelligence agency in the world ignores their own laws and directives about privacy. Look at the struggles (and failures) descending from the USAPATRIOT act.
RetirEd
8:23 pm
September 11, 2013

My Bell copper line landline is $10/month too, for years now, includes long distance which we rarely use. It's cheap because it's bundled with satellite tv and (not Fibe) internet. If you go to Fibe internet your landline goes off copper and has to go thru Fibe, can never go back to copper, they tell me.
9:10 pm
April 14, 2021

Bill said
If you go to Fibe internet your landline goes off copper and has to go thru Fibe, can never go back to copper, they tell me.
Same here, with Telus. I went Fibre and thought that it was only for my internet and TV. However, everything was switched to it and I cannot return to copper. Or, so they tell me.
I think that they are outright lying, because my neighbour across the street still has his copper. The physical components are still there and fully functional. Telus just refuses to switch me back, IMO.
4:39 am
March 30, 2017

Bill said
My Bell copper line landline is $10/month too, for years now, includes long distance which we rarely use. It's cheap because it's bundled with satellite tv and (not Fibe) internet. If you go to Fibe internet your landline goes off copper and has to go thru Fibe, can never go back to copper, they tell me.
There you go, it appears cheap ($10) only cuz it's bundled with 2 other services. That is not a direct comparison unfortunately.
Any single service only copper line landline I don't think its possible to get it for $30 or under.
Winnie's $30 is maybe a single service only maybe she can chime in.
12:54 pm
December 7, 2011

savemoresaveoften said
Any single service only copper line landline I don't think its possible to get it for $30 or under.Winnie's $30 is maybe a single service only maybe she can chime in.
Yes, it is correct.
I have only single service copper line landline from Bell with total price including taxes under $30 for many years.
I'm also at Bell's "Do not call list", so maybe for that very reason they decided not to increase my price.
2:56 pm
November 18, 2017

PETER: sorry, I deleted the alerts about moving some of my posts and forgot where they ended up. You may have to do that again.
Dang, just lost my post to a 404 when I submitted it! I'll try again.
I have bare-bones home phone service on copper. No internet or special features. About $10 monthly. Kudos to their Loyalty & Retention department! I've since learned you can ask to be connected directly to them once you've waited the requisite 2-5 hours to get through.
Telus doesn't want to talk about VOIP power usage (or their reps don't know) so I did lots of on-line searching, specifying my location and Telus as the provider. It seems that the current systems draw 7-30 watts, the business systems being at the high end. (You know, the big multi-line consoles or PBX systems.) And that's 24/7, whether in use or not. Copper phone service takes about a tenth of that, only when the phone is in use - and the customer doesn't pay that bill!
You can, if you hassle them enough or have a business line, get a UPS to keep your phone working - for a serious hardware cost, and still paying the power bill yourself. And you'll typically have to replace the batteries about every 4-5 years. Not cheap. As far as I can tell, those systems are mostly provided by third-party providers.
A few years ago, Telus sent a sales team to my building to announce fiber conversion; I asked the minimum internet price and they said $75 monthly before "taxes and fees." I laughed and declined. This may be why the installer who came to install the VOIP phone couldn't find a fiber drop!
Some of my neighbours liked the internet service, but none of them realized the loss of phone service during blackouts. Some felt their mobiles gave them a backup, though using mobiles as primary phones during daylight hours would cost a heap unless one had an unlimited plan!
So far, though I do get scam calls claiming I would lose my Telus or Rogers or Bell internet service (which I do not have!) unless I let them rob me, my phone works fine on copper over six months after the orignal attempt to switch me.
Fiber service also prevents one from using the alternate-long-distance providers, which would multiply my long-distance bill by three. And for some locations, it can kill your ADSL internet, which is a lot cheaper than fiber and is fine for just about anything but streaming HD video.
And you need a setup that can prioritize voice traffic, or that will degrade as data usage increases. Need I add that VOIP systems are much easier to snoop on or hack?
Know the problems before you accept!
RetirEd
3:37 pm
January 25, 2024

RetirEd said
Some of my neighbours liked the internet service, but none of them realized the loss of phone service during blackouts.
Do you have so many power outages that this is your main concern to have land line?
That is mine least of concerns. My main concern having Bell was crazy price for miniscule service. Free calls were for ONLY adjacent municipalities, everything else was 'long distance'. Switched to voip through my internet provider. Currently $5/30 days with Canada wide calls.
Now thinking of porting land line to mobile device but am cautious will land line number be able to receive texts and 2FA.
If Anybody did such porting I would like to hear (personal message is OK) as I would have some questions and potential test to do with such person.
5:53 pm
December 18, 2024

A ZTE box can run your home phone with a SIM card. Or Vtech, Panasonic or AT&T land line sets that have a link to cell option.
A friend just got a Freedom Mobile sim for $5 a month, but has limited outbound calling. I plan to get the $99 yr plan that works out to $8.xx a month. Using a sim option for land line “should” allow call forwarding to your cell phone as well.
See here. https://shop.freedommobile.ca/en-CA/prepaid-plans
$5 plan is harder to find.
11:09 pm
November 18, 2017

CAD: It's odd you should mention that, but only in the last five years has my 'hood had a sharp increase in outages - four last year, two of them major and for more than a few hours. Of course, one couldn't call BC Hydro because the phones were out. Mind you, BC Hydro is always permabusy anyway during an outage.
This is a seriously urban area, not somewhere with vulnerable outdoor lines or crumbling infrastructure. At least one of the outages was clearly resulting from a deafening transformer explosion a few blocks away...
RetirEd
6:52 am
January 25, 2024

RetirEd said
CAD: It's odd you should mention that, but only in the last five years has my 'hood had a sharp increase in outages
I did not experience any major outage in a last few years. Average is one per year for few minutes, particularly if there is severe lightning. But I am in Ontario, York region which is most likely way different than BC.
Quick comment regarding maintenance of electrical equipment - we do have green ground transformers every 100m or so. One close by is leaking cooling oil for 2 or more years. Surrounding grass and even sidewalk is all in oil. Even after reporting it few times, NOBODY cares. But at least they changed LED street light when I reported it is not working... Contractors, of course. Everything is contracted out.
Ideal company - ONE CEO earning zillions of $$$ and all 'employees' are contractors being on-call 24/7 and called to work when needed.
7:20 am
March 30, 2017

@CAD:
I am in york region and like your said, no major power outage mostly cuz power cables are underground. So unless issues at the transformer station, any outage is brief.
As for VOIP, I use VOIP.ms (name of company) and pay about $2 per month. That includes 911 locationing service, otherwise it will be under $1 a month. It's pay as you go by the minute, but like $0.01 a min or some silly low amount.
I don't really use it, more just to keep my legacy 905 phone number lol.
It does require the user to have good technical knowledge to set up the VOIP initially. Oh and it cost me about $40 to buy the VOIP box and program it to work with them. It works fine on alarm monitoring too.
I won't pay a landline $30 a month as an "insurance". That's a very expensive monthly insurance if u ask me.
9:00 am
December 7, 2011

savemoresaveoften said
I won't pay a landline $30 a month as an "insurance". That's a very expensive monthly insurance if u ask me.
In my case, I'm not paying under $30 a month as an "insurance", but just because it do not require any internet connections and power.
I like to have a phone, that works without internet and power.
It just me, but not an "insurance".
10:00 am
October 27, 2013

Since this thread has turned into a 'landline' thread, stats as of 2021 for landline vs cellphone vs both are reported by StatsCan here https://www.statcan.gc.ca/o1/en/plus/5289-landline-use-decreases-amid-growing-cellphone-ownership
There are only a few reasons to have a landline:
-One of them being reliability in some remote areas where cellphone coverage is poor and/or non-existent.
- Another in the case of our extended family is a household with young (<10 yrs old) children who are not yet responsible enough to have their own cellphone.
- For homes with old wired technology such as gate and/or home security systems (in our case)
Our landline is modem based over internet. The built-in battery backup works perfectly well for significant periods of time in event of electrical outages. As mentioned by someone up thread, those batteries do fail after a period of time and ours did after 8? years of usage. Shaw (now Rogers) simply came in and replaced the entire unit at no charge.
When we downsize from our current house, we will eliminate the landline. We have been eliminating that number from all of our "accounts" over time. Only two families in our extended family, one with young kids and ourselves, continue to have a landline.
11:37 am
March 30, 2017

Winnie said
In my case, I'm not paying under $30 a month as an "insurance", but just because it do not require any internet connections and power.
I like to have a phone, that works without internet and power.
It just me, but not an "insurance".
Interesting. My $30 cell plan includes unlimited talk and 50gb data. so my cell is my main phone number. I also text and whatsapp 99% of the time. Voice is somewhat nice to have but not needed lol
As for internet connections / power, the power monthly charge is negligible, and if one has internet anyway, most plans are unlimited too.
So while you wont call it an insurance, if u already have a cell phone and home internet plan with unlimited data, then it "is' an insurance, just saying.
But if you live in a remote area, then its a different discussion.
I know someone who insists to have a copper landline and pay Ma Bell $60 a month. It's not my money, and I respect the decision, even tho it's unwise.
12:28 pm
December 7, 2011

savemoresaveoften said
But if you live in a remote area, then its a different discussion.
No, I'm in very urban area.
Yes, I do have internet at home also, but prefer, that my landline would not be connected to the internet, so I'm paying less than $30 for that fun.
And, I also have a mobile phone with unlimited internet data (yes, unlimited) and unlimited free long distance (Canada wide).
It's better for me to use landline phone, because it is less EMF exposure, that mobile. I think, that less than $30 is reasonable and I'm happy until Ma Bell will ask me to pay more. Then, I will quit.
5:43 pm
December 18, 2024

Dean said
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'Ditto' on the land-line ⬆We're with Telus (@ $34/Month all in), and it still works when the power goes out.
The main reason we have one is because there's no cell reception at our rural acreage, deep in the sticks.
Dean
Still on copper? That supplies power?
We are on Telus fibre and NO battery backup is offered.
6:10 pm
December 18, 2024

savemoresaveoften said
@CAD:I am in york region and like your said, no major power outage mostly cuz power cables are underground. So unless issues at the transformer station, any outage is brief.
As for VOIP, I use VOIP.ms (name of company) and pay about $2 per month. That includes 911 locationing service, otherwise it will be under $1 a month. It's pay as you go by the minute, but like $0.01 a min or some silly low amount.
I don't really use it, more just to keep my legacy 905 phone number lol.
It does require the user to have good technical knowledge to set up the VOIP initially. Oh and it cost me about $40 to buy the VOIP box and program it to work with them. It works fine on alarm monitoring too.
I won't pay a landline $30 a month as an "insurance". That's a very expensive monthly insurance if u ask me.
I had VoIP.ms. That is until they failed to protect themselves from a DDoS attack and extorting the company. < = was totally their fault. Was about $12 a month converted to CDN $.
Not sure when your numbers are coming from….voip.ms is in USA dollars.
And is doubtful that will work for an alarm. Son in law is an alarm installer.
DID is 85 cents, and 911 is $1.50 a month. There are lots of flexibile options with VoIP.ms. You have to be inclined to program or pay some one but they are very helpful. See inbound and outbound calling rates below.
For VoIP.ms you will pay more than $2 a month!
Wired alarms with telephone monitoring are as good as obsolete for residential. But they still work…not sure if with Telus fibre. Alarms are becoming all done over the internet. Old wired alarms usually have decent battery backup as well.
Telus on fibre does not offer battery backup for phone service in a power outage. Forces home to have some cellular service.
Shaw years ago had battery back for phone service. Not sure of now.
VoIP box may or may not have battery backup for VoIP service.
A ZTE box with SIM card has battery backup and newer wireless land line handsets have battery back up. So is a good option if battery back up is an option. The ZTE option can allow call forwarding, free 800 number calling and Canada wide calling.
And of course a UPS system from an electronics store could be considered.
6:13 pm
December 18, 2024

HermanH said
Same here, with Telus. I went Fibre and thought that it was only for my internet and TV. However, everything was switched to it and I cannot return to copper. Or, so they tell me.I think that they are outright lying, because my neighbour across the street still has his copper. The physical components are still there and fully functional. Telus just refuses to switch me back, IMO.
I can reassure that since Telus brought out fibre, they became the biggest liars, ever.
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