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TFSA underused, not used to potential, interesting article.
August 20, 2019
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40% of Canadians largely use TFSAs as simple savings accounts

The tax-free savings account (TFSA) turned 10 this year — and it has come a long way.

More than 40 per cent of Canadian families now have one, according to the latest tally from Statistics Canada. And while that’s still less than the nearly 60 per cent who have a registered retirement savings plan (RRSP), it’s an impressive uptake considering TFSAs have only been a thing since 2009, while RRSPs date back to 1957.

Still, many Canadians who have TFSAs are choosing to keep things simple, using them largely as savings accounts. A whopping 42 per cent of TFSA holders have a significant amount of money in their accounts sitting in cash, according to a newly released poll conducted by Ipsos for RBC.

But is that a good idea?

There are pluses and minuses.
The obvious drawback to using a TFSA simply as savings storage is that you’re not making the most of tax-free compounding.
“The magic happens when you invest the money within your TFSA and gain the benefit of compounding, which helps your earnings generate even more earnings,” Stuart Gray, director of RBC’s Financial Planning Centre of Expertise, said in a statement.

A TFSA, like an RRSP, is a personal account that shelters your savings from tax. The idea is that if you invest your money and earn a return, you have the ability to keep reinvesting all of your return in addition to the sum with which you started. In a simple savings account or a non-registered investment account, by contrast, you’d have to hand over part of the interest you earn or a share of your investment gains to the government as tax. Inside a TFSA or RRSP, though, tax-free compounding is a powerful tool to turbocharge your savings.
The problem with using a TFSA like a high-interest savings account is that the interest they earn is small — and so are the benefits from compounding. You could see your money grow considerably faster if you put your cash in investments with better returns.

“The true advantage of contributing money to your TFSA is to help you reach your goals, not just to have a short-term savings account,” Gray said.
But the other key feature of the TFSA is that it lets you take money out without any tax consequences. As most people know by now, that’s the big difference between a TFSA and an RRSP.

With an RRSP, you get to contribute with pre-tax dollars, which means there’s more money available for you to take advantage of tax-free compounding. The catch, though, is that you’ll have to pay taxes when you take the money out.
With a TFSA, on the other hand, Canadians contribute after-tax dollars. No tax is due upon withdrawal because they’ve already paid their due.
The reason why many treat their TFSA as a savings account is the ability to take money out without cost or hassle, said Rona Birenbaum, a certified financial planner and CEO of Viviplan and Caring for Clients.

When keeping your TFSA in cash makes sense
According to the Ipsos poll, 25 per cent of respondents are using their TFSAs for everyday savings, 10 per cent to save up to buy a home and 35 per cent for an emergency fund.

If you’re saving up for a short-term goal, a tax-free, high-interest savings account is probably where your money “should be,” said Birenbaum.
While a diversified portfolio of stocks and bonds can be a good way to reach your goals faster, if your target is less than five years away, a high-interest account can also be a good option, said Jason Heath, managing director at Objective Financial Partners.

Another option for growing your short-term savings is to use Guaranteed Investment Certificates (GICs), which generally pay a fixed interest rate for a set term like three months, a year or five years. GICs with a term of up to five years also guarantee your principal, up to set limits.
Still, high-interest savings accounts these days often pay higher interest rates than GICs without the need to tie up your money for a set amount of time, Heath said.

TFSAs for retirement
TFSAs can also work well for retirement savings, which is what 38 per cent of Canadians are doing with them, according to the Ipsos poll.
There’s a strong case for low-income Canadians to use TFSAs as their retirement savings vehicle of choice. That’s because, unlike money coming out of an RRSP, TFSA withdrawals do not count as taxable income that could trigger a clawback in benefits such as the Guaranteed Income Supplement (GIS).

Saving in a TFSA also makes sense when someone is in a lower tax bracket than they expect to be later in their working life. A popular move is for young people to start saving in a TFSA and move the money over into an RRSP when their income grows and they’ve moved into a higher tax bracket, which allows them to make the most of the RRSP tax break on contributions, Birenbaum said.

The issue with using TFSAs for retirement, however, is the ease of withdrawal, which can be a temptation to dip into what should be off-limits money, Birenbaum added.

While Canadians are evenly split over whether they prefer to save in a TFSA or RRSP, those aged 55 and up show a strong preference for TFSAs, the Ipsos poll shows.

Richard Shillington, an Ottawa-based statistician and public policy analyst, isn’t surprised. Low- income seniors who have been saving up in an RRSP are often better off gradually emptying that account in the years leading up to retirement and moving the money over to a TFSA, he argues. For seniors who receive the GIS, the tax hit from emptying the RRSP before retirement will usually be smaller than the gain from avoiding a reduction in government benefits during retirement, Shillington noted in a report published earlier this year.

For older Canadians who have lots of contribution room, TFSAs make for a good receptacle for “windfall money” like an inheritance or the proceeds from downsizing their home, Shillington said.
And for well-heeled seniors, TFSAs can also be a “powerful wealth-building tool,” Birenbaum said.

For higher-income clients who want to leave assets behind, Birenbaum advises withdrawing enough from their RRSPs or registered retirement income funds (RRIFs) to maximize their yearly TFSA contributions, in addition to covering living expenses.

The issue is that the value of an RRSP/RRIF when you die is generally included on your final tax return, which can lead to a hefty tax hit for your family. (One important exception is that a surviving spouse designated as the beneficiary can roll over your RRSP/RRIF amount into their own RRSP/RRIF without any tax consequences.)

With a TFSA, by contrast, your designated beneficiaries would only have to pay tax on any income earned by your investments after the time of your death. The rest can be paid out tax-free.

August 20, 2019
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This is not directed at the poster, this is directed at the author.

When I read any article that contains comments like, "You could see your money grow considerably faster if you put your cash in investments with better returns," I just shake my head.

It's the equivalent of telling a tribal Ethiopian out in the desert that if he's suffering from malnutrition, he should just eat more steak, as if there's a chophouse in the local village where they're serving them for free

August 24, 2019
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Detailed results of the 2019 RBC Financial Independence in Retirement Poll are at RBC: Intentions are good, but TFSAs largely misunderstood…

What are in people's top 5 TFSA holdings:

People In Top 5 holdings
42% Savings accounts and cash
28% Mutual funds
19% Stocks
15% GICs/term deposits
7% ETFs (exchange-traded funds)
6% Bonds
August 25, 2019
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They named it wrong. It should have been "Tax Free Investment Account".

September 3, 2019
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Actually, rather than call it TFSA, I would call it TESA for Tax-Exempt Savings Acc't, that way you can simply say tesa rather than T F S A.

I think the way the Liberal-mandated CRA has it set up renders it virtually useless, ergo underused, at least by me.

In principle, it's a great concept, but having to go thru hoops to move your money around to get the best rate, not to mention transfer fees practically negate the benefit of transferring funds "by-the-book".

I used to be able to literally transfer my funds from one TESA to another, even though in principle, it counts as a withdrawal & redeposit & generated an excess contribution notice vs by-the-book + fee. I used to be in a position to provide them with a money trail proving that it was a direct transfer with no overlap or lag time & they allowed me to do that without penalty. Now they could care less & charge you a penalty by far exceeding the interest earned on your money.

So now, I deposit my money on Jan1 @ the highest TESA promo rate available & simply transfer it out to a non-registered HISA when the deal runs out. It's cheaper to pay the tax on the high interest than keeping it in a lo-ball TESA or paying the transfer fee.

September 3, 2019
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September 3, 2019
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speedwagen said

I think the way the Liberal-mandated CRA has it set up renders it virtually useless, ergo underused, at least by me.

  

As I recall, it was the Conservatives who set it up in the way it is. The main change the Libs made was to restore the earlier contribution limits.
I agree that it's awkward at best, but usable if you're careful. It's alwys been like that.

September 3, 2019
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Yes, the PC's set it up, but the CRA at the time advised that as long as you could show a money trail, there would be no penalties applied & they were true to their word until the Liberals took over. Now they seem to be looking for any excuse to charge penalties even though you've done nothing wrong & kept true to the spirit of the program.

I suspect they're broke or in the process of dismantling it.

September 3, 2019
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I am not sure what you're talking about. I haven't experienced any changes since the last election except for the contribution limit.
The issue with not being able to recontribute withdrawals until the next year was there from the beginning, and is the biggest problem. I would imagine it's the biggest source of confusion and penalties.

September 3, 2019
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speedwagen said
Yes, the PC's set it up, but the CRA at the time advised that as long as you could show a money trail, there would be no penalties applied & they were true to their word until the Liberals took over.…

It had nothing to do with the change in government.

What you describe was a one-time amnesty for taxpayers who didn't understand that the contribution room for a TFSA withdrawal is not available for use until the next calendar year.

On subsequent occurrences of such incorrect transfers, there is no waiving of the TFSA overcontribution penalties. The taxpayer was educated on the first occurrence.

September 4, 2019
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pwm said
They named it wrong. It should have been "Tax Free Investment Account".  

Yes ... it was 'Misnamed', right from the start !

So many people to this day still think TFSA's are for deposit savings accounts only.

What a difference a name change would make ... Why Don't They Fix It ?!

sf-cool " Live Long, Healthy ... And Prosper! " sf-cool

September 4, 2019
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You don't want them to fix it (though the right name would be Tax Exempt Investment Accounts). Then more people would put investments with higher returns in it and then those accounts would grow to a point where government realizes they are losing too much potential tax revenue and start capping contributions, in essence, freezing TFSA as a tax exempt vehicle. I would much rather most people continue to be naive reducing the risk of eventual capping.

I am supportive of the inability to re-contribute any withdrawals until the next year. This is supposed to be a savings (or investment) vehicle, not a petty cash account. It is important to impose some discipline.

There is not much that can be done to steamline transfers. As long as these are registered accounts with activity tracking for compliance, there will need to be paperwork.

September 4, 2019
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You people don't get it. I don't engage in anything without knowing all the rules.

I was advised by TFSA processing to submit all my TFSA transaction history @ year-end by voluntary disclosure. Once they could verify that all transactions were direct transfers, i.e. money trail, all penalties were waived...repeatedly!

The rules were set up to prevent people from dipping into their savings at will, i.e. be a good Canadian & save your money so that we don't have carry you & we'll give you a tax break, otherwise you'll have to wait a year to re-contribute. My transfers were immediate without gap or overlap & effectively stayed registered.

Technically, when you file the paperwork & transfer by-the-book, it's withdrawn from 1 TESA & it shows up up to a month later to the other, the only difference is the bank is vouching that it's a "transfer", whereas my way, no one can vouch for me - I have to prove it & I did...repeatedly!

Now the Liberal-led CRA treats us like criminals unless a bank can vouch otherwise. Either that or they're now too stupid to understand a money trail, which I doubt. They're either broke or have gone fascist.

FYI, I'm apolitical & don't vote because they're all corrupt & incompetent morons, irregardless of their party colors. I didn't write this to start an argument, but if you people don't want to see the writing on the wall, I'll keep my opinions to myself. Over & out.

September 4, 2019
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No such things as TESA's, probably using the term confuses even more people. And if it was called a "tax free investment account" a lot of people would complain they thought you had to use if for investing and you couldn't use it for saving. And I wouldn't assume that because RBC says so that people who are keeping their TFSAs for savings instead of mutual funds, etc have "misunderstood" TFSAs. Many people like to keep their money in savings, for various reason, and if that works for them then so be it.

Anyway, I'm confident most people understand how TFSA's work, it's not complicated, and there will always be a minority of people who misunderstand pretty much anything. And none of this has anything to do with Liberals, though I might agree they are fascist.

September 5, 2019
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speedwagen said

Technically, when you file the paperwork & transfer by-the-book, it's withdrawn from 1 TESA & it shows up up to a month later to the other, the only difference is the bank is vouching that it's a "transfer", whereas my way, no one can vouch for me - I have to prove it & I did...repeatedly!

I only know of one way to make a TFSA transfer. If you have created another one, I wouldn't be surprised if you have problems, but you have never explained what you did, so I still have no idea what you're talking about.

Anyway, I'm glad you were able to sort it out with CRA. It appears they were reasonable in the end. It's a good lesson to everyone, to keep their paper work. In the case of TFSAs, I would keep it all indefinitely as we are dealing with lifetime contribution limits.

September 5, 2019
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Loonie said

speedwagen said

Technically, when you file the paperwork & transfer by-the-book, it's withdrawn from 1 TESA & it shows up up to a month later to the other, the only difference is the bank is vouching that it's a "transfer", whereas my way, no one can vouch for me - I have to prove it & I did...repeatedly!

I only know of one way to make a TFSA transfer. If you have created another one, I wouldn't be surprised if you have problems, but you have never explained what you did, so I still have no idea what you're talking about.

Anyway, I'm glad you were able to sort it out with CRA. It appears they were reasonable in the end. It's a good lesson to everyone, to keep their paper work. In the case of TFSAs, I would keep it all indefinitely as we are dealing with lifetime contribution limits.  

I think what speedwagen recommends, and it's what I recommend too if you're using a TFSA for GICs and HISAs, is to simply withdraw from your TFSA in December, preferably as close to or even on December 31 to maximize your interest earned. Then, on or shortly after January 1, re-contribute to your newly opened TFSA. This is a perfectly legitimate alternative to TFSA transfers whereby the FI doesn't waive the transfer out fee or reimburse for the transfer out fee (most won't do the latter outside of the DBs).

A TFSA transfer involves you filing the appropriate transfer form with the assuming institution to process and pass on to the losing the institution to process within the legally permissible 21 business day processing timeframe (FCAC enforces the registered plans timeframe, so an institution taking longer than that timeframe could be reported to FCAC, although they'd likely only "tsk tsk").

Essentially, there are only three types of TFSA transactions (other than interest or dividends paid):
- contributions;
- transfers; and,
- withdrawals.

A withdrawal can still functionally be a transfer if executed properly, but they are different transaction types.

Cheers,
Doug

September 5, 2019
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Doug said

I think what speedwagen recommends, and it's what I recommend too if you're using a TFSA for GICs and HISAs, is to simply withdraw from your TFSA in December, preferably as close to or even on December 31 to maximize your interest earned. Then, on or shortly after January 1, re-contribute to your newly opened TFSA. …

That's not what speedwagen did.

speedwagen repeatedly withdrew the funds from one TFSA and deposited the funds into another TFSA the same day. After all, it has the same effect as a direct transfer, but without the delay and transfer fees.

speedwagen was then able to have the TFSA overcontribution penalties forgiven repeatedly under the Voluntary Disclosure program. Eventually, CRA refused to forgive the penalties anymore.

The Voluntary Disclosure program is for guilty taxpayers and not for the blameless ones. When CRA wishes to verify an expense claim or something, the information is requested from the taxpayer. The information is not requested under the Voluntary Disclosure program.

The Voluntary Disclosure program is kind of like the pardon process in the criminal justice system. I guess some people would misinterpret a pardon as being the same as an acquittal. It is not. Forgiveness is not the same as saying one did nothing wrong. But, I guess some people think that forgiveness is.

Reminds me of an old lawyer joke: "Good news: I got the charges dropped! You are free to go. sf-smile But, don't do it again.sf-surprised"

September 5, 2019
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I prefer to think of the tfsa as the tax free retirement account. It sounds so attractive, i want to save in it instead of the rrsp. I am trying to think of the rrsp as retirement with benefits as i get a tax refund. I do believe names matter. I know not everyone is using the tfsa for retirement but it works for me.

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