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November 23, 2014
8:39 am
abstech17
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How much does a bank charge for TFSA Accounts

November 23, 2014
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abstech17 said

How much does a bank charge for TFSA Accounts

Bank, credit union or online brokerage usually no charges to invest. But ask before you invest.
Some "may" charge:
To close account
To withdraw
To transfer to another institution

December 1, 2014
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Abstech17, TFSA accounts do not per say charge anything annually but it depends where you invest the money meaning which financial institution or if it is a brokerage account online or otherwise, ETF, mutual fund company etc.

Some charge as much as $50+H.S.T per year while others get fees when you transfer TFSA's out to another financial institution.

Mutual funds and ETF's charge annual fees but this is not for the TFSA but it is the underlying investment itself.

They can be an annual administration fee plus annual percentage called an MER or annual management fees from your investment itself. This depends on the company and investment type equity, bond, REIT etc. which can be 0.25% to 2.50% annually which usually includes H.S.T.

December 1, 2014
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Abstech17, like Kanaka said, they may also charge a fee if you withdraw and redeem before say 90 days to as much as 7 years. This is with my experience of about 1 year ago with my cousin.

This is the investment itself and not for TFSA's but who knows, this could change as well. There maybe something that I do not know and already exists.sf-confused

TFSA's can hold GIC's which these days the best you can do is 3.05% to 3.10% for 5 year locked in money but there are no fees to have them in a TFSA until its maturity date.

December 2, 2014
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I don't know if anyone else has heard but 2 different websites I read in the last 2 days is suggesting that an annual $10,000 TFSA contribution limit per person will happen next year in 2015?

If this is true then a family of four which includes 2 adult children can contribute $40,000 a year in TFSA's compounding tax free interest or other earnings.

The current $22,000 TFSA annual contribution limit is already okay for a family of four which includes 2 adult children but any increase will be welcome for us.sf-smile

December 2, 2014
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https://www.highinterestsavings.ca/forum/tax-free-savings-accounts/potential-tfsa-limit-increase-to-10000-in-2015/

The CRA has announced that the annual TFSA contribution limit for 2015 will be $5,500. This makes the total possible contribution room since introduction a sizeable $36,500.
http://www.miiockm.com/2014/11.....-5500.html

December 3, 2014
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Rick, I guess it is all hype and there is no proof of this but why are these 2 websites saying that it is a for sure thing that the Canadian government will announce this soon, probably in 2015 in the next few months?

Maybe it will take affect in 2016 but announced in 2015? Time will tell.sf-cool

December 3, 2014
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Don't forget there is an election next year. Timing is everything. If you want the 10G limit, you have to vote Conservative. Whole thing about the TFSA is that it is a vehicle mostly for the rich, like the biggest beneficiaries of income splitting. The average middle class family with 2.5 kids and 2 incomes with a mortgage and credit card debt can't afford to max out their TFSAs, RSP, emergency fund, etc. We're DINKs now and we couldn't afford 20K a year to sock away in a TFSA.

December 3, 2014
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Rick said

Don't forget there is an election next year. Timing is everything. If you want the 10G limit, you have to vote Conservative. Whole thing about the TFSA is that it is a vehicle mostly for the rich, like the biggest beneficiaries of income splitting. The average middle class family with 2.5 kids and 2 incomes with a mortgage and credit card debt can't afford to max out their TFSAs, RSP, emergency fund, etc. We're DINKs now and we couldn't afford 20K a year to sock away in a TFSA.

Rick for most of my working days I was a SI3K. For retirees from a middle income the 10000 TFSA is most welcome as it allows to reallocate RRSP funds to TFSA. No matter what, I will be hit with at least 20% income tax on a RRIF or RRSP withdrawal. And by putting it in TFSA it will continue to grow tax free. At this point in my retired life I don't need the RRSP funds. Hopefully my program will show me in a very low income bracket in the next 10-15 years.

December 3, 2014
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Rick said

Don't forget there is an election next year. Timing is everything. If you want the 10G limit, you have to vote Conservative. Whole thing about the TFSA is that it is a vehicle mostly for the rich, like the biggest beneficiaries of income splitting. The average middle class family with 2.5 kids and 2 incomes with a mortgage and credit card debt can't afford to max out their TFSAs, RSP, emergency fund, etc. We're DINKs now and we couldn't afford 20K a year to sock away in a TFSA.

This confirms what you are saying.
http://www.moneysense.ca/save/.....tion-limit

December 3, 2014
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kanaka said

Rick for most of my working days I was a SI3K. For retirees from a middle income the 10000 TFSA is most welcome as it allows to reallocate RRSP funds to TFSA. No matter what, I will be hit with at least 20% income tax on a RRIF or RRSP withdrawal. And by putting it in TFSA it will continue to grow tax free. At this point in my retired life I don't need the RRSP funds. Hopefully my program will show me in a very low income bracket in the next 10-15 years.

True enough Kanaka. My long term goal is to deplete my RSP's and convert them to TFSA's while trying to stay under the Minimums tax bracket when I retire in 2019.

December 3, 2014
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Rick said

kanaka said

Rick for most of my working days I was a SI3K. For retirees from a middle income the 10000 TFSA is most welcome as it allows to reallocate RRSP funds to TFSA. No matter what, I will be hit with at least 20% income tax on a RRIF or RRSP withdrawal. And by putting it in TFSA it will continue to grow tax free. At this point in my retired life I don't need the RRSP funds. Hopefully my program will show me in a very low income bracket in the next 10-15 years.

True enough Kanaka. My long term goal is to deplete my RSP's and convert them to TFSA's while trying to stay under the Minimums tax bracket when I retire in 2019.

Exactly!!! I only wished that I had clued in a few years earlier vs when I started. Keep in mind any other things you have invested in that might not allow you to reallocate every year. Like a Life Insurance endowment policy that pays you out at age 65 (taxable) or any pay outs of retiree benefits from your employer.

December 3, 2014
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In my opinion, TFSA's are not for the rich. If you want to call them upper middle class or the more well off income earners making $75,000 per person or $150,000 per couple than I can see your point on that.

Rick, good point about there is a federal election next year in 2015 and this makes more sense why there is so much talking about this double the original TFSA promise of $5,000 to $10,000.

For the rich and wealthy, the biggest tax break would be to get rid of capital gains taxes which most rich get their profits and wealth from selling and merging businesses and shares, equity investments.

Kanaka, has a good point about retirees using TFSA's that can protect against future taxes from income saved like from annuities, pensions, dividends, interest etc. and non-registered investments, RRSP, RRIF withdrawals. This does not help only wealthier Canadians but many retirees as well with modest to higher middle class incomes.

December 3, 2014
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I don't know if you read the 3 comments at the bottom about that MoneySense online article but there are many comments stating that many other taxes that are not income taxes would probably be raised to offset the lost tax revenue from TFSA tax free income and earnings.

Although, there is a part in this article that does make a valid point that as more people have more savings, investments, TFSA's, RRSP's etc., they will be less dependent on government income support programs and government benefits in their retirement years and possibly a few years before retirement.

December 3, 2014
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I am not aware of life insurance payouts being taxable. Mine aren't, anyway. It all depends, I think, on whether you paid tax before you put it into life insurance. If not, you will probably pay at the end.

Ii hope people won't make their voting decision on the basis of one budget item only. Government is big, powerful and complex, and it requires an overall assessment of direction and policy. Sometimes what is best for me personally is not the best thing for me as a citizen, or for the country at large. If, for example, we face lethal threats from pollution, environmental degradation and climate change, endangering future generations, then I would have to consider candidates' policies in regards to that as being more important than my $5500 or even $11,000/yr tax-free.

Doesn't look like it's happening soon anyway. And, with declining govt revenues due to rapidly declining oil prices, it will likely be postponed. They already gave the goodies to young families.
http://www.thestar.com/busines.....ayers.html

December 3, 2014
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Loonie said

I am not aware of life insurance payouts being taxable. Mine aren't, anyway. It all depends, I think, on whether you paid tax before you put it into life insurance. If not, you will probably pay at the end.
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I bought an endowment policy from Metrpolitan Life when I was 16 from the insurance guy that came door to door to collect monthly insurance premiums from my father. The old days!!!!! It was 5000 plus another 5000 if accidental death and so much per finger, arm, and leg etc. It cost me103 a year with a 12500 payout which looked real nice to me in1965! I had no idea there were different kinds of insurance and no idea it was taxable. I would receive dividends every year that would increase my insurance payout in the event of death which also reflected the payout. Metro Life was always a pain, calling me for visits to service my policy.....BS.....we all know that. But since the policy is now held by a third company I have a real good agent. Good agent, did I really say that? When I retired I paid out my premiums for the next 7 years and they give me interest on the funds held in the premium account, which I declare as income. I emailed the agent a year or so ago and she emailed me as of that date, what I would receive in non taxable and taxable amounts. When I am paid out I am told is, I will have a couple of options to take (like an insurance annuity, surprise, surprise) or cash. Sounds like there is no way to spread out the tax hit though. They will NOT withhold taxes I am told. I assume I will get a statement of the payout and also assume I will receive a T slip for 2015. I had checked online and find that Endowment policies are no longer offered as they lost popularity .... or from the insurance company's view, a product too good for the customer but not good for their bottom line...who knows! I also found that this type of insurance product is exempt from annual taxation as a result of the dividends paid; and the accumulated dividends are taxable at the date of maturity of the policy or at the time of early redemption. I assume no taxes if it was paid out upon death and payout to beneficiary. Good for retirees at a lower income as I will pay the lowest rate of income tax on it. The payout is not the 12500 as per the agents handwritten notes on the preprinted brochure....it is around 20000!!!! So what would 103 year for 55 years be, invested in a GIC or? at all the different rates and market ups and downs..what would it have yielded.....I don't know. But 20,000 minus taxes on the taxable amount for 5500 is nothing to sneeze at...is it?

Any one with an insurance policy pay out (to the policy holder) should verify a year or so before maturity of the policy to verify tax consequences, if any.

December 3, 2014
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Looks like I made 3.9% compounded annually.

December 3, 2014
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Thanks for the explanation. I think I'm glad they don't offer this any more.

At least you are getting something back! It's better than if you'd bought an encyclopedia at the front door!sf-smile (note to younger members: expensive encyclopedias used to be sold door-to-door in the 1960s etc.)

December 3, 2014
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Loonie said

Thanks for the explanation. I think I'm glad they don't offer this any more.

At least you are getting something back! It's better than if you'd bought an encyclopedia at the front door!sf-smile (note to younger members: expensive encyclopedias used to be sold door-to-door in the 1960s etc.)

Lol. Younger members an encyclopedia was basically the internet of information in a set of books as of the date they were printed. Anything that happened after that you were hooped. For a school assignment copying (change a few words though) (no copy and paste, way back then) the information was the end result. And for us poor folks we had to walk 10 blocks to a library to wait in line to use them.

December 4, 2014
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TFSA's or any other matter especially financial, people vote for what is in their best interest or interests and this has been going on since democracies existed.

The problem is even if things happen to turn in one's or their family's favor or interest, most of the time something else will come up and counteract that.

TFSA's are a great tax free sheltering tool for those that save and invest within the rules. No just TFSA's but all income tax items from tax brackets or income thresholds to personal amounts, age amounts, disability amounts, pension income amounts etc. should be adjusted for inflation on an annual basis.

When this is not done, it is like double taxation as you are paying more taxes on dollars that you did not truly earn, receive in real, purchasing power terms. It should not be a political football.sf-cool

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