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October 26, 2024
6:46 am
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Some TFSA statistics from Globe & Mail (October 24, 2024): 29 Canadians have TFSAs worth $5-million or more:

TFSA Value Holders
under $100,000 16,817,278 94.62%
$100,000 to $199,999 921,525 5.18%
$200,000 to $999,999 35,180 0.20%
$1 million to $4,999,999 323 0.00%
$5 million or more 29 0.00%
17,774,335 100.00%

The numbers were from access to information requests to CRA by Matt Malone, a Balsillie Scholar at the Balsillie School of International Affairs and the Founder of the Open by Default database.

October 26, 2024
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At first sight, that's 'UNBELIEVABLE' ... but then again, it's also Amazing what Compounding Interest can do. sf-wink

But seriously, how does one turn $95K (TFSA max contribution) into $5M+
... what Magic is involved ❓❗

I'd like to know.

    Dean

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October 26, 2024
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Swinging for the fences with tech stocks. I am guessing a single investment in QQQ ETF may have done that, especially using puts and options. Per Morningstar, QQQ has a 10 year CAGR of 18.5%.

Added: It took me until 2015 to realize I was missing the boat by simply investing in a 5 year GIC ladder in a tax free (after tax) account. I switched gears into a more balanced equity/fixed income mix and finally moved to 100% equity once my last 5 year GIC matured circa 2020. I would have never invested in QQQ myself but even something like XIU from the beginning would have been a better choice.

October 26, 2024
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Just need to get ahead of 0.38%, I'll make it to the top 5%!! … keep saving 🙂

October 26, 2024
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Dean said

But seriously, how does one turn $95K (TFSA max contribution) into $5M+
... what Magic is involved ❓❗

I'd like to know.

    Dean

  

High performing stocks. Probably owned some or all the magnificent 7.

October 26, 2024
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Look at that: I am in the top 5.5% (over $100K) TFSA holders. If they have split $100K-$200K category, I might have made to 5% or even 4%.
All it took is deposit maximum allowed contribution amount every year and park everything at Savings and 1yr GICs.

October 26, 2024
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Dean said

But seriously, how does one turn $95K (TFSA max contribution) into $5M+
... what Magic is involved ❓❗

CRA didn't disclose how it was done.

From other accounts of people reported in the Globe & Mail TFSA Trouncers series who have $1 million+ TFSA's, it was likely investing in stocks, without proper diversification, and getting really lucky.

October 26, 2024
3:18 pm
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Dean said
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At first sight, that's 'UNBELIEVABLE' ... but then again, it's also Amazing what Compounding Interest can do. sf-wink

But seriously, how does one turn $95K (TFSA max contribution) into $5M+
... what Magic is involved ❓❗

I'd like to know.

    Dean

  

If you remember, when TFSA has been introduced a bunch of people were using it as instrument for daily trading. Then government stepped in and stopped it.
Brave (or those with a LOT of money) might have bought some stocks of then questionable companies like tesla, amazon, nvidia, whatnot... After many years when stock skyrocketed they sold it and here is the result. No need to work anymore...
Compound interest cannot and could not create 5Mil from yearly TFSA contribution.

Now imagine you have 5Mil in TFSA; you transfer it to Hubert; buy TFSA GIC = you will get $200K TAX FREE in a year !!!!!
Keep dreaming...

October 26, 2024
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From the G&M article talking about the 29 Canadians

How are people building high-value TFSAs? A survey of TFSA Trouncers shows that Nvidia and Tesla shares, energy stocks and Chinese stocks have played a role. A reminder of how challenging it is to achieve this kind of investing success can be found in the story of the guy whose TFSA peaked at $1.7-million thanks to an investment in Tesla. A pullback in the price of these shares brought him back to $1-million, still an impressive achievement.

It very clearly takes a number of speculative bets and getting lucky to have a >$5M TFSA. No one is talking about the X number of Canadians who speculated and lost their shirts. Strictly entertainment value.

October 26, 2024
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No one is talking about the X number of Canadians who speculated and lost their shirts. Strictly entertainment value.  

+1

October 27, 2024
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AltaRed said
From the G&M article talking about the 29 Canadians

How are people building high-value TFSAs? A survey of TFSA Trouncers shows that Nvidia and Tesla shares, energy stocks and Chinese stocks have played a role. A reminder of how challenging it is to achieve this kind of investing success can be found in the story of the guy whose TFSA peaked at $1.7-million thanks to an investment in Tesla. A pullback in the price of these shares brought him back to $1-million, still an impressive achievement.

It very clearly takes a number of speculative bets and getting lucky to have a >$5M TFSA. No one is talking about the X number of Canadians who speculated and lost their shirts. Strictly entertainment value.  

Well some may call them speculative or they just have the vision and balls that most dont.
Kudos to them rather than envy.

October 27, 2024
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I'm surprised at such low numbers. My two TFSAs each just went over the $200k line and I only hold the usual Canadian dividend ETFs as well as BCE and ARX. Nothing exotic. Of course I've never withdrawn any money, but I thought most people like me who have maxed them out from the beginning, would have over $200k.

October 27, 2024
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pwm said
I'm surprised at such low numbers. My two TFSAs each just went over the $200k line and I only hold the usual Canadian dividend ETFs as well as BCE and ARX. Nothing exotic. Of course I've never withdrawn any money, but I thought most people like me who have maxed them out from the beginning, would have over $200k.  

Ours are at $170K each. Used TFSAs for HISAs and didn’t start investing within them until 2016. Using them for HISAs was the most stupid financial thing I ever did. Also, our US investments are in RRSPs/non-reg, which saves on withholding taxes but hurt TFSA growth.

October 27, 2024
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pwm said
most people like me who have maxed them out from the beginning  

Only a certain age group would fit into that category. A large number of people are not old enough to have availed themselves of the total accumulation amount.

There is also the time line of this data to consider. I have no knowledge of when this data is submitted to CRA but given the lag in most statistical data I doubt it is all that current. IOW, interesting in a relatively superficial way. sf-cool

October 27, 2024
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Without breaking it down into age groups the numbers don't really indicate much.

Be interesting to see the breakdown for those who have contributed the max and not withdrawn anything since day one, that would show the impact of different investment strategies.

October 27, 2024
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TFSA is underused on two counts (1) low participation w.r.t. the population. (2) low contribution w.r.t. those who participated.

This is what I see from these numbers. I remember in the early years, FIs didn't really offer good TFSA choices or incentives.

I began in TD mutual funds in 2009. Then after several years of accumulation & growth, it was migrated to TDWH. It was $30/trade and you need minimum balance to waive maintenance fees. It wasn't until 2020, I opened my true CDIC covered TFSA account with EQ, with any decent rates.

October 27, 2024
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I seem to recall the discount brokers I deal with all offered TFSA accounts pretty much right from the get-go.

From the people I know it seems some folks can't help but raid their TFSA accounts when they get a bit of a pile in there, take a trip or make another large purchase, use it like a forced savings account or something.

October 27, 2024
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Best I can recall is the same thing, i.e. discount brokerages all offered TFSAs within the first year. That said, the majority of folk probably did use them as 'savings accounts' with fixed income holdings at least initially even if they contributed to the max and didn't ever withdraw. There is no right or wrong in that decision, but a reason why few, if any, of those TFSAs would be over $200k today.

October 27, 2024
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Bill said

. . .

Be interesting to see the breakdown for those who have contributed the max and not withdrawn anything since day one, that would show the impact of different investment strategies.  

    I fit that bill.

But due to my conservative investing, I'm only up by ~ 38%.

No matter ... it's my Shiny Little Tax-Free Nest Egg. sf-wink

    Dean

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October 27, 2024
9:59 am
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Most recent TFSA statistics available January 15, 2024 are for tax year 2022.

These age group numbers are from Table 1A and Table 3A:

Age Group Holders Average
unused
contribution
room
Average
Fair Market Value
(per individual)
under 20 130,630 0.73% $6,472 $3,304
20 to 24 960,240 5.40% $22,248 $6,558
25 to 29 1,481,020 8.33% $45,314 $10,961
30 to 34 1,675,930 9.43% $59,110 $13,822
35 to 39 1,565,060 8.81% $58,732 $15,594
40 to 44 1,424,100 8.01% $58,326 $17,604
45 to 49 1,294,010 7.28% $56,858 $21,177
50 to 54 1,312,630 7.38% $53,490 $26,479
55 to 59 1,447,930 8.15% $48,801 $33,242
60 to 64 1,564,420 8.80% $43,946 $39,756
65 to 69 1,453,830 8.18% $40,115 $45,156
70 to 74 1,217,170 6.85% $37,436 $49,367
75 to 79 940,740 5.29% $34,445 $53,942
80 and over 1,306,630 7.35% $29,222 $56,598
All 17,774,340 100.00% $46,192 $29,173

Average holder has a modest $29,173 in TFSA's and lots of unused contribution room.

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