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Opening a Tangerine account without the external link
May 8, 2014
8:06 pm
Kodiac
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Hi.

So i read in the Tangerine TOS that you need to maintain an external account linked to your tangerine account at all times. But I also know you need to provide a check for your initial deposit, and checking accounts usually have a cost.

Now..

What id like is to fully switch to tangerine with a savings and a checking account with them, and close the checking account i have at rbc.

I was thinking of maybe taking a savings account at rbc, so that there is no monthly cost to keep it open, but then, it is impossible to get a check for it for my initial deposit. So my question is :

Is it possible to open a Tangerine checking or savings account without a link to an external bank? and if not, is there a free option availlable to make my initial deposit?

May 8, 2014
9:43 pm
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You won't be able to open an account with Tangerine without a link to an external bank.
You can phone them and ask further. They are available 24/7, I believe.

May 12, 2014
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Hi Kodiac:

It seems like you would need an external account to open a Tangerine checking account, since they won't let you send cash in the mail for that first deposit. Unless they will let you switch payroll and use that as a "first deposit" - it is worth asking. I'm a current Tangerine client with no external-linked account. I opened one of their high-interest accounts in 2007, and I switched my checking to Thrive in 2011. At that point, I closed my RBC accounts and deleted the link to my external RBC account in the ING system. I've been using Thrive for the last few years with no external link. I do have a bi-weekly transfer to CDF, but that's drawn from CDF's end and is not set-up as a "linked" account, from Tangerine's perspective.

May 13, 2014
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Hi. Would tangerine be good option for day to day banking? I currently have a savings and chequing account with Coast Capital and do the majority of banking through the savings account and only use the chequing account for PayPal and to move funds out of the savings account via the chequing account. I emailed tangerine 2 days ago, but no response.

May 13, 2014
12:01 pm
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Hi Kanaka:

I don't make recommendations, but I can describe my own experience. I have been using Tangerine (previously ING's Thrive) for day-to-day banking since it became available in 2011. I have no complaints so far. I use it for payroll, bill payment and pretty much everything except longterm savings. I have a CDF account for longterm savings, only because I don't like Tangerine's rates.

May 13, 2014
12:05 pm
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Hi, that is what I am looking for. I have no need for any face to face contact with Coast Capital. Can you do all your bill payments from the savings account and can you do an online transfer to/from your savings and chequing?

May 13, 2014
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Hi Kanaka:

No, you cannot currently pay bills from a Tangerine savings account. Yes, you can currently pay your bills from a Tangerine checking account. Currently, you can also instantly transfer funds between your Tangerine checking account and Tangerine savings accounts. Currently, you can also instantly Transfer funds from any of these accounts to any other Tangerine accounts that you hold jointly with other Tangerine clients. So if I need to pay a bill, I transfer month from Tangerine savings to Tangerine checking, then pay the bill from Tangerine checking.

You can also currently do free, instant email money Transfers between yourself and other Tangerine clients; these Tangerine-client-to-Tangerine-client email money transfers currently do not involve Interac. Instant email money transfers to non-Tangerine clients are currently charged an Interac fee of, I believe, $1.50. There is also an option for a non-instant, free email money transfer to non-Tangerine clients, with a 2 to 5 business days processing time.

The Tangerine checking account currently comes with unlimited monthly transactions and no monthly fee. There is a fee that applies if your Tangerine checking account is left in overdraft for thirty days or more, and there is a fee for bounced transactions.

If you use the CRA's online "My Account" feature, note that Tangerine is currently recognized as a "CRA Sign-In Partner," so you can log into your "My Account" at CRA by entering your Tangerine credentials instead of your CRA credentials, after completing the "CRA Sign-In Partner" sign-up process.

I did briefly miss face-to-face banking when I wanted to order some U.S. dollars. However, I instead used Travellex.ca to have them couriered to my home for free (the rate at Travellex.ca online was much better than the rate at Travellex stores at airports, as I recall, though still not as good as XE's rate).

May 15, 2014
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Thanks. I guess I will keep looking.sf-frown By the way I have emailed them twice and get an auto response and days later, still no answer. I don't feel comfortable with them for some reason.

May 16, 2014
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Hi Kanaka:

If you don't mind me asking, why is it necessary for you to pay bills from a savings account rather than from a checking account?

You will likely get a faster response by phoning the Tangerine 1-800 number; emails sometimes take 3 to 5 business days for them to respond to, from my experience in the past, and my guess is that they are likely much busier now, fielding queries from current clients about the switch to Tangerine.

May 16, 2014
7:36 am
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My current arrangement at Coast Capital works good for me and I wanted to use the same with Tangerine.
Savings account gains interest.
Can do same as chequing account with savings account but just no cheques. Majority of dollars in savings account.
Chequing account gains no interest
Chequing account is used for PayPal and to flow money from savings account elsewhere
Cannot do the above with Tangerine.

3-5 day response is unacceptable. I prefer to do some business in a hard copy format that allows to be referenced to vs a phone call. Any dealings that I have with Manulife or iTRADE is answered within 24 hours.

My personal preferences that work for me.sf-smile

May 16, 2014
9:09 am
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Hi Kanaka:

Currently, Tangerine does not have a secure internal message system where you can login and send a secure message, like some other banks. And since regular email is not secure, they currently only respond to general inquires via email rather than account specific ones. Perhaps this is a holdover from their early status as a telephone bank. FYI:

Tangerine currently does have an option to set-up automatic transfers between accounts and automatic bill payments. I sometimes use these to pay bills, as I don’t keep money in the checking account.

In the past I have hooked up PayPal to a Tangerine savings account and have withdrawn and deposited amounts successfully with PayPal.

Also, Tangerine checking accounts currently do earn interest. Today the checking account rate is .025% at the lowest and 1.10% at the highest. Better than 0% :)

Good luck with your search!

May 20, 2014
9:56 am
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Interesting comment in another forum.

"They state they're still waiting for cheque from Tangerine and I can't get through to Tangerine due to their super long wait times, no reply via email."

May 20, 2014
2:39 pm
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The poor response times from Tangerine do not speak well for them. I never had this problem with ING.
I have changed my mind and will not be moving some money I had intended to move to them. I have no need of another dysfunctional bank.
I will also be moving a chunk of money OUT of Tangerine that was already there, in a different kind of account. I would likely be doing the latter anyway, but will do it faster now. An upsurge in phone calls could have been predicted, and should have been planned for - if that's what it is. For all we know, perhaps they fired a bunch of people or outsourced to g-knows-where.
The one thing that always made ING worthwhile for me for some deposits despite inferior rates was that they had great customer service.
They need to put less money into advertizing and more into customer service.

May 20, 2014
5:18 pm
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I hear what you are saying. No doubt existing customers that obliged with the Ing to Tangerine move that need assistance will be disappointed and not to mention any new prospects from all of the advertising, as you mentioned. What surprises me in a way is that I deal with iTRADE which is also owned BNS and have no problem on the phone or email. Email is usually answered within 24 hours which works good for me. You could be right, to trim costs, that Tangerine has gone off shore??. Maybe some one here could supply info. I now know, for sure, I will not persue opening accounts, but did sorta liked their rates and CDIC coverage.

Ps I sent 2 emails more than 5 days ago....no response for either.

May 20, 2014
11:04 pm
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Maybe, instead of Tangerine, they should call it Tangent! Kind of out there on the fringe somewhere, but not fully functional! lol

May 21, 2014
11:52 am
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LOL sf-surprised
I just received my first email response, 11 days later.

I will let everyone make their own judgment or decision.

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