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Qualities to think about before opening a PC Account
May 17, 2009
10:08 am
Selby
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I don't understand what you guys are talking about. I have moved money from TD to PC and from PC to TD with no trouble. A delay of a few days always occurs but usually I move money on Fridays so I expect that and don't recall any 5 to 10 day wait. What in non-jargon are you talking about--so Ill know if I have a problem::))

May 17, 2009
11:02 am
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I'm surprized by this conversation. I've been with PC for 9 years and to the best of my knowledge have only had one problem which was very understandable.

I've never suffered from an unexpected hold. Maybe that's because I keep a reasonable amount in my savings account with them.

As for the one day delay in transferring money out of a savings account, I think it's common to other on-line banks. I know it's the same for ING.

I transfer money from PC to/from ING and RBC (using ING as the starting point) and have never had to wait more that 2 business days (usually none if the transfer is scheduled at least a day in advance of the transfer date). To avoid last minute timing problems I pay all my bills (and write the odd cheque) from a PC LoC account. The only charges are for interest and if you cover any advance in a day or two, the interest is minimal. (10% interest (way more than they charge) on $1000 amounts to less than 30 cents a day).

I'd say PC is the best all-around banking I've found, and I'm a stickler for low/no fee banking with high interest.

May 17, 2009
1:31 pm
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Selby said:

I don't understand what you guys are talking about. I have moved money from TD to PC and from PC to TD with no trouble. A delay of a few days always occurs but usually I move money on Fridays so I expect that and don't recall any 5 to 10 day wait. What in non-jargon are you talking about--so Ill know if I have a problem::))


I dont understand whats so hard to follow with this discussion.

As its clear with most all virtual/online bank accounts (PCF, HSBC, Citizens, etc), you can setup Bank-to-Bank Transfers by loggin into that virtual/online account and setting up transfers TO/FROM . Our discussion is about from the Big Banks side (Scotia, TD, RBC, etc). Meaning you CAN NOT log into these accounts and choose a option to send money TO/FROM another bank (with the exception of Scotia as I belive you can setup to transfer IN only).

Having said that, whenever you setup a Bank-to-Bank transfer by logging into the Receiving account. The receiving bank has to place a hold (usually 5-10 business days - which no one can avoid) as they wait for the funds to clear the sending bank account. This is different from setting up this transfer from the Sending bank account as the receiving bank sees the funds as a pre-authorized credit (where the sending bank cannot RECALL funds).

Now since you cannot setup a Bank-to-Bank link within most all the Big Banks, this means your only option is to setup the link from the Virtual bank side (PCF, HSBC, Citizens etc). And if its the case where you wish to transfer FROM the Big Bank to one of this Virtual/Online accounts, the Virtual/Online bank will place holds as they are at the receiving end and they is the bank initiating the transfer = Holds placed.

Our last few posts in on this topic were about ways to overcome these holds when transfering FROM Big Bank to one of this Virtual accounts. One being is writing a cheque from the Big Bank and depositing at an ATM connected to Virtual/Online account. As the only thing you need to get by are the ATM deposit holds/limits (which you can by the bank doing a credit-check).

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May 17, 2009
1:46 pm
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Steve in Milton said:

I'm surprized by this conversation. I've been with PC for 9 years and to the best of my knowledge have only had one problem which was very understandable.

I've never suffered from an unexpected hold. Maybe that's because I keep a reasonable amount in my savings account with them.

As for the one day delay in transferring money out of a savings account, I think it's common to other on-line banks. I know it's the same for ING.

I transfer money from PC to/from ING and RBC (using ING as the starting point) and have never had to wait more that 2 business days (usually none if the transfer is scheduled at least a day in advance of the transfer date). To avoid last minute timing problems I pay all my bills (and write the odd cheque) from a PC LoC account. The only charges are for interest and if you cover any advance in a day or two, the interest is minimal. (10% interest (way more than they charge) on $1000 amounts to less than 30 cents a day).

I'd say PC is the best all-around banking I've found, and I'm a stickler for low/no fee banking with high interest.


My reply to this post is most answered in my previous post, but to add I'll say this.

ING Does not offer Cheques to my knowledge, so you could not setup a Link within PCF. Therefor whenever you want to transfer between ING and PCF, you have to do this from the ING Side. Furthermore, if you setup a transfer (within ING) to grab funds from PCF to ING, ING would place a hold on these funds (again 5-10 business Days).

Same goes with RBC. RBC does not have a Bank-To-Bank Transfer option. Any transfers (regardless of TO/FROM) has to be done from the PCF Side. If you told PCF to grab funds from RBC to PCF, PCF would hold these funds for 5-10 business days).

The positive side to these holds is that you will still obtain interest (actually on both ends). Example: I log into ING and tell ING to grab funds from PCF to ING. ING will credit your account with these funds the very next day. Holds will be placed on it, but you still get interest, and since it will take a few days for the funds to be debited from your PCF Account, you will still be gaining Interest during this period.

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May 18, 2009
10:46 am
Selby
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I think the reason it still makes little sense is that I have never had a problem with PCF. When I signed up I recall the one day delay that was requited to transfer funds--so I do things one day ahead. If I have to move money from one "real" bank to another I do that via PCF and don't see any problem there either. So no the complaint makes no sense to me.

Calling an account HIgh interest at about 1%--that is a problem.

May 18, 2009
12:12 pm
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Selby said:

I think the reason it still makes little sense is that I have never had a problem with PCF. When I signed up I recall the one day delay that was requited to transfer funds--so I do things one day ahead. If I have to move money from one "real" bank to another I do that via PCF and don't see any problem there either. So no the complaint makes no sense to me.

Calling an account HIgh interest at about 1%--that is a problem.


This discussion isn't a complaint against PCF, its not even a complaint period as this 5-10 day hold period is something that is implemented with ALL Canadian banks (while waiting for funds to clear the sending bank account).

Again you are not following the discussion. It is NOT about when Funds appear in the receiving bank account (as I agree, they usually appear the very next day). Its about the HOLDs placed on the receiving funds (when Bank-To-Bank Transfer is initiated from the Receiving end) which NOT only happens with PCF, but with HSBC, Citizens, ING, etc - All Canadian banks.

To understand, test this out. Log into ING. Request that ING transfer funds FROM PCF to ING. Your result will be that the funds will be credited to your ING account the next day, but that you WILL NOT be able to withdraw these funds (assuming $0 Balance Before) until 10 Business Days.

Assuming that you now understand the background of this discussion. We were then talking about ways to avoid this HOLD (its not making any complaints against PCF or any other bank) via ATM Deposits.

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May 18, 2009
12:21 pm
Selby
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Thanks sigh. I managed to figure all that out myself.

Carry on with your discussion

October 25, 2009
6:22 pm
marko
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Hey, The "HOLD" on transfers "in" from another financial institution is exactly the sames as the "released funds" amount that PCF allows you based on your credit score and history with them. For example, if you have a $3000 released amount for PCF ATM deposits, then transfers in from another financial institution will be subject to the same released amount. This is clearly written into their policies on transfers and I've personally experienced this myself with past transfers. The comment that all transfers in from another bank are held for 5-10 business days isn't accurate (at least not for ALL PCF customers). Just thought I'd mention this. Thanks.:smile:

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