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Motus Bank's days as a going concern appear numbered
March 27, 2025
10:58 am
AltaRed
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MDWWDM said
Does anyone know if this would be grounds to get out of GICs held with Motusbank? I have several GICs in both my TFSA and RRSP with them that are going to mature after the transition to Coast Capital. I have no desire to have anything to do with this banking institution.  

Probably not but dig into the fine print. The T's and C's often include one that provides issuer flexibility to assign to another party for just this sort of reason. IF that is the case, it will be up to Motus what 'concessions' they may offer. Desjardins offered some concessions when they wound up Zag Bank in 2018, maturing GICs with relatively short remaining maturities, etc. It may be more complicated with registered accounts.

The learning here is not to do business with a 2nd or 3rd tier institution that has a higher probability of being sold or wound up. My last foray into this tier of FIs was actually Zag Bank. We are going to see more and more of this as consolidation to economies of scale continues.

March 27, 2025
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If the bank deposit is assumable by another financial institution according to the fine print, then the bank won't offer any concessions at all!

Another financial institution will assume the deposit. Bank will receive approval, wind up, and evaporate.

March 27, 2025
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Loonie said
I have been under the impression that Meridian doesn't want to take membership outside of Ontario at this time, and that Coast Capital doesn't want to go outside of BC or maybe the West generally.. CC has been federally incorporated for a while now. We thought they would then expand nationally, but they show no interest.
Clients could be given a choice. Those who value the CDIC insurance and want a "bank" would likely choose CC, but there is no mention of having a choice in #1 above.  

You'd think that, eh!? Most of us certainly did. Coast Capital Savings seems have wanted to incorporate federally as a means to expand into other provinces through acquisitions, but that hasn't happened. Innovation went national; First West is on the road to going national later this year or early next year. Servus and Connect First merged in Alberta to essentially create the first province with essentially one credit union only. Mergers are happening within each province.

March 27, 2025
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Norman1 said

Loonie said

Clients could be given a choice. Those who value the CDIC insurance and want a "bank" would likely choose CC, but there is no mention of having a choice in #1 above.

CDIC will likely refuse to approve any transfer of the bank's loans (assets) to a financial institution outside its jurisdiction while CDIC is still on the hook for the bank's insured deposits (liabilities).

No financial institution, including Meridian CU, would assume any of the bank's deposit liabilities without receiving a like amount of assets in return.  

Why would CDIC be "on the hook"? In such an asset purchase agreement, the assuming provincial credit union would be acquiring the assets and liabilities. There is no perpetual guarantee for CDIC insurance if the deposits move to another jurisdiction.

In any case, it's moot because it sounds like all deposits, all $80-100 million of them, are going to Coast Capital Savings, which is CDIC insured. All lending products are going to Meridian Credit Union, meaning Meridian essentially has opened up its bond of association to allow non-Ontario resident members.

March 27, 2025
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When BlueShore (formerly North Shore Credit Union) was merged into the recently merged Beem credit union at the end of 2024, we were offered the ability to withdraw our share deposits - which is really laborious normally. I took my shares into a GIC with a decent rate.

But I didn't have any GICs to try to cash in.

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March 28, 2025
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Norman1 said
If the bank deposit is assumable by another financial institution according to the fine print, then the bank won't offer any concessions at all!

Another financial institution will assume the deposit. Bank will receive approval, wind up, and evaporate.  

Agreed. sf-cool

March 28, 2025
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RetirEd said
When BlueShore (formerly North Shore Credit Union) was merged into the recently merged Beem credit union at the end of 2024, we were offered the ability to withdraw our share deposits - which is really laborious normally. I took my shares into a GIC with a decent rate.

But I didn't have any GICs to try to cash in.  

Yeah, that's a little different. In this case, Coast Capital Savings is offering to assume the deposits. A better comparable example is RBC Royal Bank's acquisition of ResMor Trust Company's assets, specifically, the Ally deposits. On completion date, Ally HISA accounts closed and balances transferred to the first linked external account, mailed by cheque, or sent to the Bank of Canada's unclaimed deposits program early, as I recall. RBC then took over the lending products and assumed the GICs under the same terms as the Ally GICs to their maturity.

March 28, 2025
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I'm not sure I follow you, Norman.
Are you saying that motus may not be able to fulfill its promise to transfer deposits to Meridian or CC, or that the deposits would lose insurance in doing so?

March 28, 2025
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Loonie said
I'm not sure I follow you, Norman.
Are you saying that motus may not be able to fulfill its promise to transfer deposits to Meridian or CC, or that the deposits would lose insurance in doing so?  

I don't quite get part of what Norman is saying about CDIC not wanting to approve a transfer. From CDIC's perspective, the loans are shifting from federal regulation to provincial regulation, reducing the risk against Motus' liabilities (its deposits). Its deposits, hence, have only operational and cyber-security risk, not credit quality or liquidity risk. In short, it is a de-risking scenario (i.e., risk is being removed).

However, I don't believe Norman was saying that Meridian or Coast Capital Savings would not agree to assume the loans or deposits in certain circumstances, or that they would lose deposit insurance. I think he was just saying, later on in the thread, that Coast doesn't need to offer incentives in the form of 'bonus' rates or the ability to redeem GICs early (they could do that, but they don't have to and may not want to).

March 29, 2025
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Doug: Yes, I remember that all Ally accounts I held were transferred to RBC with all terms and conditions intact. That is, they continued with monthly payout of interest from the four terms so I never exceeded the CDIC limits.

There was one hiccup, though. RBC kept trying to make me accept a method of payment for the final close-out that would cost me money. They claimed to not know what I meant by direct debit! I resorted to Alternate Banking Plan B in a local RBC branch and they handed me a cheque on the spot. No fee at all.

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