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Investment Savings Account (ISA) Interest Rates
March 1, 2023
5:59 am
Norman1
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The name is descriptive and not definitive. The ISA's are actually called "Tiered ISA" and "Tiered Corporate ISA" in their product details sheet.

Just make sure the symbol is correct:

DYN6004 = Tiered ISA, C$, Series F, issued by The Bank of Nova Scotia
DYN5004 = Tiered ISA, C$, Series F, issued by The Bank of Nova Scotia Trust Company

March 1, 2023
12:53 pm
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Yes Norman1 . We have a mid 6 digit number in Cash and I'm after CAD : DYN6004(4.50%) USD : DYN6005 (4.40%). Also enrolled in the BNS "Winter Offer" for a bribe of CDN$1000 gifted by July 31st. I initiated a "practice account" purchase of both today in my Scotia account and can't see the interest rate, whereas my TD HISA (which I'm selling to purchase the DYN product at Scotia) the interest rate is clearly indicated when I buy it.

I know about this link https://ads.scotiabank.com/ADS/Download/980/en

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March 1, 2023
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I suspect the ISA rates aren't part of the standard quote data record for those - they come out of the FundSERV mutual fund system. Even on TD, if you do a quote or lookup of an ISA like TDB8150, the interest rate won't be shown anywhere in the Performance and Returns areas (which are mostly blank).

I suspect when TD displays TDB8150 in buy/sell or holdings like that, with the rate showing, they are integrating the rate info from their own internal systems to create that display text. They might not be able to easily do that for other companies ISAs, although since they don't let you buy/sell those, I can't check.

March 1, 2023
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That Scotiabank ADS document is where I look for the yield of DYN6004.

I didn't find a nice Scotia iTRADE page with the yield like BMO InvestorLine has for the Bank of Montreal ISA's.

March 1, 2023
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I have not found it either. It may be that because the BNS DYN series of ISAs are mass marketed to a range of brokerages, it is not intended to be viewed as an in-house ISA. It is then up to the investor to go to the 'relevant' public pages to find yield just like one would do so for any mass marketed mutual fund.

BMO's in-house ISAs appear to be strictly BMO and maybe some others are the same such as RBF2010, TDB8150 and others (I am speculating).

March 7, 2023
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savemoresaveoften said

Who are the independent brokers that allows DYN6004 puchase ?  

I use Qtrade, here their list of F-Series (AKA better rate) HISA funds you can buy: https://help.qtrade.ca/hc/en-ca/articles/8329824611867-Which-Money-Market-or-High-Interest-Saving-Account-HISA-funds-can-I-buy-

March 20, 2023
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Just got the following message @iTrade for DY 5004 "This fund has been closed to new purchase". Did anyone else get this message before?

March 20, 2023
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Try DYN6004 instead. It may be that BNST is not selling F series directly to DIY investors any more but that BNS still is.

March 20, 2023
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I want to diversify regarding the CDIC 100k treshold, therefor I want to by DYN 5004. Any experience with MTCC: DYN3065, NT: DYN3055 or SMC: DYN3075 from a CDIC guarantee perspective?

March 20, 2023
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Sorry, cannot help. I ignore CDIC limits with the big 5 TBTF banks.

March 21, 2023
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MTCC = Montreal Trust Company of Canada
NT = National Trust Company
SMC = Scotia Mortgage Corporation

The three are CDIC members that are also in the ScotiaBank group of companies.

Details are in the product sheet for the ScotiaBank brokerage tiered ISA's.

I would expect separate T5 slips from them if one places funds in the brokerage ISA's issued by the three instead of placing all the funds in brokerage ISA DYN6004 from The Bank of Nova Scotia.

March 26, 2023
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AltaRed said
Sorry, cannot help. I ignore CDIC limits with the big 5 TBTF banks.  

Would you also consider their dividend payouts to be TBTF?

March 26, 2023
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Too-big-to-fail applies to the banks and not to the bank shares and dividends.

Under bail-in provisions, regulators can cancel all existing shares and trigger the bail-in provisions in bonds to convert the bonds to common shares, if doing so will turn a non-viable bank into a viable one.

Existing shareholders will not only lose dividends but also their shares.

The bank will fail briefly and then be resurrected. Failure is okay if there is a resurrection afterwards and one wasn't a bank shareholder before its resurrection.

March 29, 2023
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USD DYN rates up

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March 29, 2023
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I can never find Norman1's last update on ISA rates, thought it would be in this thread, where is the dang thing??

March 29, 2023
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It is in another thread Brokerage investment savings accounts.

March 29, 2023
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Thanks, Norman1, I'll make a note. Don't suppose we could make a separate chart (the Mr Thrifty guy is not as up to date)? Probably not a good idea, I've been using these accounts for decades and they're rarely competitive with HISAs on here, just in the last while.

March 29, 2023
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Same here, Bill-- i.e., paid almost no attention to the ISA funds until recenty
(The exception being my TDB8152, as a default home for USD funds
Not because it was very rewarding-- just had no better options)

Now, these seem very attractive, at least for now
I suppose it won't last long-- no idea what is driving the recent increase in rates

March 29, 2023
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Bill said
Thanks, Norman1, I'll make a note. Don't suppose we could make a separate chart (the Mr Thrifty guy is not as up to date)? Probably not a good idea, I've been using these accounts for decades and they're rarely competitive with HISAs on here, just in the last while.

I'm not that interested in the rates on US$ brokerage ISA's. Others who are more interested can gather the US$ ISA rates from the issuer sites and post tables of them here.

I don't know if the brokerage ISA rates, US$ and C$, will continue the way they have in the last while. There is a possibility that the Big Banks have found a low cost channel to outdo the savings accounts from the online-only banks and credit unions!

March 29, 2023
7:23 pm
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FYI

TDB8152 USD now 4.40%

RBF2014 USD now 4.40%

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