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Foreign deposit hidden fees at HSBC
February 5, 2009
2:54 pm
Mike
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FYI:

HSBC has been "sneaking in" (not disclosing on transaction or in account information) a $2.50 CDN transaction fee when you deposit anything buy CDN into your HSBC Direct Savings Account. I got dinged a few times via USD checks, and complained... but they dind't care, so I asked them to log the complaint.

Also if you do a wire transfer deposit into your HSBC Direct Savings Account it's a $10 fee (same, non disclosed). So DON'T DO THAT with them, it's expensive (x3 that for me and 1 was just for $30 (so I only got $20!).

Mike

February 7, 2009
12:21 pm
Doug
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Mike,

I'm afraid to say you're quite mistaken on several fronts. In fact, in one, both charges you mention are charged by all of the other banks. In the second, both charges have always been fully disclosed in HSBC Bank Canada's Personal Service Charges brochure and Statement of Disclosure, as required by federal legislation.

Particularly, look for the fee assessed on incoming wire transfers as to the $10.00 charge. The $2.50 charge refers to when foreign currency cheques or other items (i.e., bank drafts) are accepted for deposit. As these items have to be cleared separately at the end of the day and there is generally more work to do so since these items have more places to travel through to get cleared. This fee is fully disclosed and very minimal, in my opinion. There is no charge for foreign currency government pension cheques.

If you want a copy of the Personal Service Charges brochure, you can download the up-to-date PDF form when you open an account online or e-mail Internet Banking Support to request a copy by mail. You can also visit any branch and pick one up.

As far as the $30 wire transfer goes, I would recommend using Electronic Funds Transfer using the Bank-to-Bank Transfer feature of Personal Internet Banking. It only works for self-to-self transfers from another institution but there's no charge for it (on either end). If the money was from a third party, a wire transfer is always the most expensive option (on both ends). I would recommend having your colleague give you a cheque or cash to deposit at an ABM in Canada without charge.

I would definitely encourage you to pursue the charge further with your branch. Let them know how frustrated you are and that you weren't aware of the charge and because of the small amount of the wire transfer, would appreciate it greatly if they'd reverse the charge this one time only. Branches don't like complaints and staff are encouraged to correct the complaint at the branch level, especially ones regarding service charges by providing the customer with the appropriate disclosure of all service charges at the time of the complaint, reversing some or all of the disputed service charges at that time and, if necessary, going above and beyond and providing additional compensation. At the branch I work at, we maintain a supply of Starbucks cards to give to customers upon resolution of their complaint to turn that upset and anger into a smile. 🙂

Cheers,
Doug

February 7, 2009
2:18 pm
H
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Hey Mike,

That's not surprising that you got charged fees for depositing foreign funds, I think that is a standard fee across most banks.

When transferring funds to yourself (assuming it's within Canada), make sure your other bank account is setup under the "Bank to Bank Transfers" option. You'll only need to use wire transfers if you're transferring to another country or to a friend at another financial institution (or use cash / cheque as Doug mentioned)? This is an expensive option, so it's probably only better to use this when you have no other options (such as needing to send a large sum of money to another country REALLY FAST).

OR, if your friend has an HSBC Bank Canada account, you can do a 3rd party transfer, and that's free of charge (everyday charges - they count as debit transactions) as long as both HSBC accounts are in Canadian dollars.

The Direct Savings Account is an amazing account and it should suffice for most day to day banking solutions sans cheques in IMHO.

February 7, 2009
4:22 pm
Mike
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Great suggestions Doug and H, I thank you for taking the time to write those up. 😀

I did call HSBC customer service and professionally voiced my concern about the fees, but honestly, it feel on deaf ears. I didn't feel like they really cared, and when I'm back in Canada, I'll be closing my HSBC account and go to another bank who cares... I won't even accept a bank draft from HSBC, cash only please... yes, I'll wait the 3 business days for you to get that much in your safe.

Q. You can still demand cash on a withdrawl right?

Mike

February 7, 2009
9:25 pm
Doug
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I think that's a bit silly. As far as the cash withdrawal goes, yes you can still request cash. Depending the amount, it may require a special order and you have to pay some of the shipping costs involved (if it's an extraordinarily large amount).

I would recommend going in to your branch in person rather than speaking to a call centre representative or escalating the matter to the regional vice president level if you still get no satisfactory response about reversing all or part of the service charge.

Cheers,
Doug

February 8, 2009
10:48 am
H
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Hey Mike,

Fair enough - bear in mind that the customer service reps may have very little wiggle room in terms of what they can/cannot do. I like to believe that most reps on the other end do care and would like to help you, but, they probably have their limitations.

One thing to keep in mind: there is no in-branch service for the HSBC Direct Account so you may have to move the funds to another account before you can take your account. Do give it some thought again before you close your account though - like I said before, it's a wonderfully useful product. Shop around, and I think you will be find very few products like it. Best of luck, and let us know what you decide :).

H

February 8, 2009
1:28 pm
Doug
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You are correct about no in-branch access to the Direct Savings Account, H. However, if and when Mike decides to close his account, he can close it in branch and receive the funds in cash or by bank draft. There is a small charge for the bank draft but if it's a large amount, the bank may offer him a bank draft in lieu of cash at no charge. So, bottom line, branches do have the ability to close your Direct Savings Account(s) either to cash or by crediting another account. We can also do things like maintenance of your bankcard, change your address and change your bankcard's PIN. All you need to present is your HSBC bankcard.

Cheers,
Doug

March 27, 2009
12:31 pm
Tracy
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This post is a bit late. Nevertheless, I wanted to point other readers like me to this page that compares money transfer options. I guess Mike needed to transfer money urgently, but if he had used a bankers draft/money order, both of which are rather slow, he'd have saved quite a bit of money.

http://www.tracenotes.com/repo.....nsfer.html

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