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GICs through discount brokers
September 10, 2023
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I see the 3y best rate about 5.35% more or less. Still quite decent and thats good enuf for me to avoid using GIC brokers.

September 11, 2023
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Annual Pay GIC's via Scotia iTRADE
Term Rate Issuer
1 year 5.62% Community Trust Company
2 year 5.58%
3 year 5.44%
4 year 5.12%
5 year 5.11% HomeEquity Bank
September 12, 2023
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1 year 5.58% Bank of Montreal
Bank of Montreal Mortgage Corp.
BMO Trust
Haventree Bank
RFA Bank of Canada
2 year 5.56% Bank of Montreal
Bank of Montreal Mortgage Corp.
BMO Trust
HomeEquity Bank
3 year 5.37% Bank of Montreal
Bank of Montreal Mortgage Corp.
BMO Trust
Fairstone Bank
Haventree Bank
HomeEquity Bank
4 year 5.15% Bank of Montreal
Bank of Montreal Mortgage Corp.
BMO Trust
5 year 5.11% Bank of Montreal
Bank of Montreal Mortgage Corp.
BMO Trust
Fairstone Bank
Haventree Bank
HomeEquity Bank
September 12, 2023
12:33 pm
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Interesting that some big bank discount brokers show their own as highest GIC rates recently, as per BMO above. Same at TD Direct Investing today, e.g. top 1 year rate of 5.6% offered today by TD family of issuers. I haven't been a studier of this but it seems to me whenever I used to look or buy it was one of the smaller fi's, like those listed here, that were top rate, maybe that's changed for now.

September 12, 2023
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What is being offered at Scotia iTRADE is closer to that expectation:

Annual Pay GIC's via Scotia iTRADE
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1 year 5.57% Concentra Bank
Equitable Bank
Home Trust Company
HomeEquity Bank
Versa Bank
2 year 5.56% HomeEquity Bank
3 year 5.37%
4 year 5.10%
5 year 5.11%
September 12, 2023
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In recent months at BMOIL, I have seen BMO company GICs leading there and at times at Scotia iTrade, I have also seen Scotia company GICs leading there. It comes and goes depending on their needs. I don't think there is anything remarkable, or not remarkable, about it.

September 12, 2023
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Pattern seems to be an inverse yield curve.

September 12, 2023
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COIN said
Pattern seems to be an inverse yield curve.  

That is generally the shape of the current bond yield curve (even more steep) and thus what I would expect the GIC yield offerings to also be in the brokerage channel.

September 13, 2023
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During a hiking cycle especially mid way and towards the end of it, the yield curve is always inverted. And its the other way around during a easing cycle.

September 13, 2023
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Nobody know when is the end, nor “midway” of a hiking cycle until after it ends.

Inverted curve on government bonds suggests bond investors think a recession is coming which would end the cycle but of course its a wild guess. They are wrong as often as they are right.

Gives the banks which make money on long vs short rates a headache so in theory could trigger a recession by forcing cuts in lending and money supply and making some banks go bust.

We’ve had this signal for a while and the timing of the supposed recession keeps shifting. Stock investors don’t think it well come in the foreseeable.

September 13, 2023
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Couple of comments.

1) Banks have increased their loan loss provisions
2) At least 2 provincial premiers have asked the Bank of Canada to stop raising rates.

September 14, 2023
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1 year 5.57% Concentra Bank
Equitable Bank
Home Trust Company
Versa Bank
2 year 5.54% Concentra Bank
Equitable Bank
Home Trust Company
3 year 5.36% General Bank of Canada
4 year 5.08% HomeEquity Bank
5 year 5.10% Bank of Nova Scotia
Bank of Nova Scotia Trust Co.
Scotia Mortgage Corporation
Montreal Trust Company
National Trust Company
September 21, 2023
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1 year 5.58% Versa Bank
2 year 5.54% Concentra Bank
Equitable Bank
General Bank of Canada
Home Trust Company
ICICI Bank Canada
3 year 5.37% Concentra Bank
Equitable Bank
Home Trust Company
4 year 5.07% Concentra Bank
Equitable Bank
Home Trust Company
HomeEquity Bank
5 year 5.10% Bank of Nova Scotia
Bank of Nova Scotia Trust Co.
Scotia Mortgage Corporation
Montreal Trust Company
National Trust Company
September 22, 2023
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1 year 5.58% Community Trust
Effort Trust
2 year 5.55% Bank of Montreal
Bank of Montreal Mortgage Corp.
BMO Trust
Community Trust
Peoples Trust
3 year 5.45% Coast Capital
4 year 5.15% Bank of Montreal
Bank of Montreal Mortgage Corp.
BMO Trust
5 year 5.10% Coast Capital
MCAN Mortgage
September 22, 2023
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Norman1 said

Annual Pay GIC's via Scotia iTRADE
Term Rate Issuer
1 year 5.58% Versa Bank
2 year 5.54% Concentra Bank
Equitable Bank
General Bank of Canada
Home Trust Company
ICICI Bank Canada
3 year 5.37% Concentra Bank
Equitable Bank
Home Trust Company
4 year 5.07% Concentra Bank
Equitable Bank
Home Trust Company
HomeEquity Bank
5 year 5.10% Bank of Nova Scotia
Bank of Nova Scotia Trust Co.
Scotia Mortgage Corporation
Montreal Trust Company
National Trust Company

  

GIC rates from Scotiabank direct:
2 Years 5.75%
4 Year: 5.45%
https://www.scotiabank.com/ca/en/personal/rates-prices/gic-rates.html
Best I have seen form the 6 big banks so far.

The discount brokers like Scotia iTRADE and BMO Investorline of course dont/cant provide these rates

September 23, 2023
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Can a non cashable GIC in a brokage account transfer to another broker?
I am not planning to do that but say I have a 5 year TD GIC with TDDI and I want to transfer my account over to CIBC IE. Is the TD GIC transferable given CIBC IE does not sell TD GICs?

September 23, 2023
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I don't know, Warwick111, but if not why not just leave the GIC where it is and then close the account when it matures if you still want to close it (assuming the GIC is large enough to ensure you don't pay any account fees)? I have a number of discount broker accounts with big banks, never hurts to have options, far as I'm concerned. Only tricky thing I find is keeping track of CDIC limits if you have GICs issued by non-big banks in various places.

September 23, 2023
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Warwick111 said
Can a non cashable GIC in a brokage account transfer to another broker?
I am not planning to do that but say I have a 5 year TD GIC with TDDI and I want to transfer my account over to CIBC IE. Is the TD GIC transferable given CIBC IE does not sell TD GICs?  

Best to just call CIBC IE.

September 23, 2023
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One will have to ask TD Direct Investing for an authoritative answer. The answer is likely that the TD GIC's purchased via TD Direct Investing are not transferable in kind outside of the TD group of banks and companies.

Scotia iTRADE has this on the back of their non-registered account transfer form:

For Guaranteed Income Certificates (GICs):
Often a Guaranteed Investment Certificate (including Term Deposits) is not transferable "IN KIND" (as is) prior to its maturity. Most GICs can be transferred in cash on their maturity. There are some exceptions, please check the terms and conditons with the Institution which issued your GIC.

Please note: Most Scotiabank Group issued GICs are readily transferrable "IN KIND" within the Group.

TD Direct Investing has this on the back of their transfer form:

Guaranteed Investment Certificates & Term Deposits:
Generally, a Guaranteed Investment Certificate (GIC) is not transferable IN-KIND (as is) prior to the maturity date. Most GIC's must be transferred IN-CASH upon their maturity. Please check the terms and conditions with the Institution which currently holds your investment. If your GIC matures in more than 6 months' time, please submit your transfer request one month prior to maturity.

September 23, 2023
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Thanks, Norman1. Sounds liked GICs are not transferable in-kind in general.

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