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Caution If You Bought or Are Thinking of Buying East Coast Credit Union GICs
February 10, 2023
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GR said

I will not post the entire letter because:
1) As the letter was not addressed to me, I feel it would be inappropriate to post the entire letter. I have summarized the main points. If you bought, or are thinking of buying, an ECCU GIC, ask your GIC broker for a copy.
2) For some reason, the document will not allow me to copy and paste it.  

You can take a picture or Windows snipping tool and sharpie out names etc. But I also respect your reason not to do it.

February 10, 2023
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A week ago, I sent an email to FSRA to get their response on the membership requirement if purchasing via a Broker. I have not had a response so far. It appears not much concern was given to the issue until brought up in this blog and no one took the step to document properly so that consumers, agencies and brokers are crystal clear on the process re membership when using a Broker.
I guess that it will get done e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y. Kudos for the NS agency issuing the letter.

February 10, 2023
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canadian.100 said
A week ago, I sent an email to FSRA to get their response on the membership requirement if purchasing via a Broker. I have not had a response so far. It appears not much concern was given to the issue until brought up in this blog and no one took the step to document properly so that consumers, agencies and brokers are crystal clear on the process re membership when using a Broker.
I guess that it will get done e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y. Kudos for the NS agency issuing the letter.  

they are just slow cuz its never a problem, until the moment it becomes one.
Or even worse, no one "thinks" its a problem. Way too many A tells B, B tells C, and no one questions if A may be wrong...

February 10, 2023
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GR said

I will not post the entire letter because:
1) As the letter was not addressed to me, I feel it would be inappropriate to post the entire letter. I have summarized the main points. If you bought, or are thinking of buying, an ECCU GIC, ask your GIC broker for a copy.

I can appreciate the sentiment to maintain confidentiality. Perhaps you could ask for permission to re-print it or else ask one of the parties to come and post it themselves.

February 10, 2023
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HermanH said

GR said

I will not post the entire letter because:
1) As the letter was not addressed to me, I feel it would be inappropriate to post the entire letter. I have summarized the main points. If you bought, or are thinking of buying, an ECCU GIC, ask your GIC broker for a copy.

I can appreciate the sentiment to maintain confidentiality. Perhaps you could ask for permission to re-print it or else ask one of the parties to come and post it themselves.  

Have I not done enough already on this thread??!!

February 10, 2023
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GR said
Have I not done enough already on this thread??!!  

You've done plenty and it is much appreciated.

I've received information second-hand originally issued by East Coast CU. I am not at liberty to post the original, but was given permission to summarize its contents. In short, it says that every deposit holder becomes an Associate member of ECCU.

This Associate membership shall have all member obligations, except for
1) voting,
2) directorship of ECCU, and
3) dividend participation.

I'll contact the source and ask that he join the discussion on this board to make the situation clearer. After all, it is in his and the entire industry's best interests.

February 10, 2023
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HermanH said

You've done plenty and it is much appreciated.

I've received information second-hand originally issued by East Coast CU. I am not at liberty to post the original, but was given permission to summarize its contents. In short, it says that every deposit holder becomes an Associate member of ECCU.

This Associate membership shall have all member obligations, except for
1) voting,
2) directorship of ECCU, and
3) dividend participation.

I'll contact the source and ask that he join the discussion on this board to make the situation clearer. After all, it is in his and the entire industry's best interests.  

Think all that we care about is whether being an "associate member" meet the requirement of the insurer to be coverd or not. Its really a very simple Yes or No answer. Not what ECCU says or thinks, but rather the insurer / regulator.
And whether every single person who bought a GIC via brokers in the past are indeed associate member, assume that satisfies the insurer's policy.

February 10, 2023
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I would judge the differences between Associate member and full member are probably similar to those of Voting Shares / Preferred Shares / and Common Shares. It sounds reasonable to me. Just looking for official pronouncement and confirmation.

February 10, 2023
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HermanH said
I would judge the differences between Associate member and full member are probably similar to those of Voting Shares / Preferred Shares / and Common Shares. It sounds reasonable to me. Just looking for official pronouncement and confirmation.  

But thats the issue. Whats sounds reasonable to you, to the brokers, to the ECCU is irrelevant if that does not meet the regulator's requirement.

Lets have a definite answer from the officials instead of all these wordings, names, classes of members. That is just adding fog to the issue in my mind. It should NOT be this complicated at all.

February 10, 2023
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@ bhuc, savemoresafeoften:

A bit off-topic, but, since you brought it up, I recommend reading No one would listen: a true financial thriller, by Markopolos, Harry. The author did his damnedest, with evidence and at considerable personal risk, to get the SEC to pay attention, over several years, to no avail.

February 10, 2023
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The letter quoted in post #106 appears to be the same letter from which I quoted in my post #95 from the VP of ECCU to brokers.

Anyone who wants can contact the CEO (Mike) of Nova Scotia Credit Union Deposit Insurance Corp. at 1-877-770-5622. He was one of my phone contacts and responded to my inquiries.

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