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Avoiding RRSP transfer fees
May 28, 2022
10:55 pm
NCC1701Z
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That survivor benefit formula is ridiculous as is the death benefit. Supposedly the Liberals will be increasing the benefit by 25% per their election promise.

Couples must carefully plan for the significant financial impact upon the survivor, loss of CPP (possibly 100% if one is at max), OAS, 50% reduction of personal credits. For some it means poverty as you have stated. Luckily we have the GIS which has saved many widows and poor seniors.

May 29, 2022
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Yes, GIS can be a big help but not enough if other sources are very low. It's not enough to pay for any kind of decent (or maybe indecent!) retirement home, for example, if that's what you require. I've seen some really shitty ones in my time. I wouldn't put a cat in some of them - although the mousing is probably pretty good.

Those of us who are 75 by next month are getting a 10% increase in OAS starting in July, however. I'm happy, of course, as it includes both me and my mom, but, really it's a piecemeal solution and I dont think it's well thought out.
I think the CPP death benefit is stil is still 2500, isn't it? However, it's taxable income to the survivor, so it can reduce their GIS, so it's not really worth as much as it appears. The worst of it is that the survivor will likely have spent it already on funeral expenses (and likely more) by the time their GIS is cut back the following year, leaving them short. This can be a painful shock even if you know about it. If you get the survivor benefit in 2022 it will still be affecting your income in June 2024 because of their convoluted calculations.

CPP is a good thing in general but it needs some help. Spouse is still waiting for pension increase based on 2020 contributions! We know it won't be a lot, and it doesn't matter much to us, but it could matter significantly to lots of people. Heck, they could be dead by the time it comes. There isn't much excuse for this degree of tardiness. At last inquiry, it might arrive by the FAll of this year! Might.

May 29, 2022
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I know some seniors who live well on just CPP/OAS/[GIS], even a trip abroad every year. Key is to have a mortgage free house and no debt. Of course they are more vulnerable to unexpected emergencies.

As Vettese says, most of us will never need a care home and if we do it will only be a year or two. Having that clear title house will finance almost any private care home scenario.

May 29, 2022
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When we were young and RRSPs were the hot thing to do for an Everyman/woman's Tax Break, there wasn't much awareness of how young people who didn't have huge incomes weren't going to get much of a tax break from making RRSP deposits. If the anti-tax campaigners hadn't pushed income tax down and fees up, we'd all be facing HIGER tax rates now than in our low-income salad days.

After my first experience withdrawing RRSP funds in needy times - and paying large withholding because I didn't know to break it into $5K chunks - I learned to keep my RRSP eligibility for times of high income, and draw down when I wasn't going to be paying much/any income tax.
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May 29, 2022
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NCC1701Z said
So, the only option before 1978 was to convert an RRSP into an annuity?

Why the maximum 15 year guarantee ?

That 15% tax on premature death is unbelievable compared to 50%+ today

Yes, it appears that the only option originally was to mature the RRSP to a life annuity.

I suspect that 15-year maximum guarantee for the annuity was to limit how much the annuity was like a term annuity as opposed to a life annuity. For example, a life annuity issued to a 70 year old with a 40-year guarantee minimum is really a 40-year term annuity.

It's not clear from the article whether that 15% docked from RRSP funds returned to the estate is the taxes owing or just a tax withholding.

May 29, 2022
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Norman1 said
Yes, it appears that the only option originally was to mature the RRSP to a life annuity.

I suspect that 15-year maximum guarantee for the annuity was to limit how much the annuity was like a term annuity as opposed to a life annuity. For example, a life annuity issued to a 70 year old with a 40-year guarantee minimum is really a 40-year term annuity.

It's not clear from the article whether that 15% docked from RRSP funds returned to the estate is the taxes owing or just a tax withholding.  

Life expectancy was less then too. Someone taking an annuity at 70 may have only had 15 years of actuarial life left (age 85). It makes sense that guaranteed term was limited to 15 years.

May 29, 2022
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NCC1701Z said
I know some seniors who live well on just CPP/OAS/[GIS], even a trip abroad every year. Key is to have a mortgage free house and no debt. Of course they are more vulnerable to unexpected emergencies.

As Vettese says, most of us will never need a care home and if we do it will only be a year or two. Having that clear title house will finance almost any private care home scenario.  

There are of course many seniors who do not own a home, and those who never did. This will be an increasing problem for future generations apparently. In addition, I wouldn't count on stability of house prices, especially in volatile Vancouver. I look on the value of my property an an "extra". With climate change, it's not so secure any more. I would rent instead at this point but it's hard to customize rental property.

Beware of applying averages to oneself. They provide useful info but your odds of fitting the average exactly are not that great. Some of us have to be on the long end in order to make the average work out.

May 29, 2022
4:17 pm
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Of all the seniors we know there is only one couple that doesn't own a home, yet they still live and rent in the city of Vancouver and live fairly well on just CPP/OAS/GIS. I really feel bad for the millennials and GenZ in HCOL cities.

Vancouver has about 41k detached houses with a core population of 630k. Compare this to frigid Calgary with 263k detached with population of 1.24M. Almost 4x the ratio. This lack of supply and the warm climate will ensure lofty prices for the foreseeable future.

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