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Where to Park $USD in Canada post Covid
August 19, 2020
6:59 am
Nehpets
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As a longtime "snowbird" with property in the U.S. requiring fixed maintenance costs, and having substantial $USD balances in Canada, what are the options for a better than average return on $USD deposits, since all the usual places have decreased their interest rates on $USD HISA's to 0.25%?

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August 19, 2020
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If one has a Scotia iTRADE account, DYN6001 and DYN5001, the US$ Scotiabank Investment Savings accounts (Series A), yield 0.40%.

August 20, 2020
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Norman1 said
If one has a Scotia iTRADE account, DYN6001 and DYN5001, the US$ Scotiabank Investment Savings accounts (Series A), yield 0.40%.  

What about a US ETF fund on the TSX such as BMO US Preferred Share Index ETF (ZUP.U) ?

August 20, 2020
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Preferred share ETF's are really not a suitable alternative to a savings account for parking money. There is not certainty what one will receive when one tries to sell the ETF units later.

Over the past year, the US$ ZUP has traded as low as US$17.00 and as high as US$25.19.

August 21, 2020
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In the same place as the OP (worse actually, as I am also placing USD denominated fixed income investments at the moment)

For savings, I've been using CIB483 purchased in my TDDI account. It is very similar to the DYNxxxx product mentioned above (most banks have their own version). The CIB product will pay about the same as the DYNxxxx and maybe, hopefully, a little higher based on past performance (which admittedly means nothing).

The unit price is "fixed" at $10. That is not a rock solid guarantee of course but no major bank would let their money market funds fail so you can pretty much bank on return of capital (pun intended).

August 23, 2020
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CIB483 is actually a money market fund and not a bank deposit packaged to look like mutual fund units. It's the Class A units of the CIBC U.S. Dollar Money Market Fund.

Latest yield info on CIBC's site is for the seven days ending July 21, a month old. The current yield then was just 0.10% per annum. sf-frown

If one is with TD Direct Investing, something like TDB8152, TD Investment Savings Account (US$), would give 0.25%.

August 23, 2020
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Norman1 said
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If one is with TD Direct Investing, something like TDB8152, TD Investment Savings Account (US$), would give 0.25%.  

TDB8152 is what I currently use, but I am trying to figure out how I can get into F series TDB8153 at 0.50%. The latter is not available in the TD Webbroker buy listing. Would you know how to get TDB8153?

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August 23, 2020
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F series units are usually only available through a dealer that charges the investor separately.

The F series units do not come with the customary ¼% per annum trailer to the dealer that the A series units come with.

August 24, 2020
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Norman1 said
F series units are usually only available through a dealer that charges the investor separately.....  

Thank you for that clarification, Norman!

Stephen

August 24, 2020
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Norman1 said
CIB483 is actually a money market fund and not a bank deposit packaged to look like mutual fund units. It's the Class A units of the CIBC U.S. Dollar Money Market Fund.

Yes. That is why I took the time to explain it was a money market fund in my post and how they are denominated. The OP didn't say he wasn't interested in money market funds.

Norman1 said
Latest yield info on CIBC's site is for the seven days ending July 21, a month old. The current yield then was just 0.10% per annum. sf-frown

If one is with TD Direct Investing, something like TDB8152, TD Investment Savings Account (US$), would give 0.25%.  

lol.. I assume you know the return information for such a short period for a money market fund is irrelevant and incomparable to TDB8152. I also use TDB8152. I will bet you that the return for CIB483 as a money market fund will beat the bank set rate of TDB8152 on an ANNUAL basis which is of course the only benchmark that matters (and would be more relevant to the OP and his ongoing needs)

August 24, 2020
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I strongly doubt CIB483 will outperform the deposit accounts. It is just that CIB483 is fully transparent on its cash flow each month while the deposit accounts are whatever the issuing institution wants them to be.

Disclosure: I hold CIB483 because of transparency.

August 25, 2020
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I also use TDB8152 for parking USD
Tangerine had some promos, where they paid the same rate on the USD account-- but they are now down to 0.2%
For the most part, not terribly significant

August 25, 2020
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SBI Bank Canada has a promo on for new customers. It's a 1% bonus on top of their regular 0.4% rate on their USD savings account, for a total of 1.4% - good till end of March 2021. Application process was cumbersome and web site not so straight forward, but now that it's behind me, I'm now earning the interest.

All these smaller banks have now become viable alternatives, since CDIC recently extended coverage to include foreign currency deposits.

August 25, 2020
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1.4% sounds attractive. However, its parent company reminded me some of my past personal (painful) experience with identity theft. It was nightmare. I would pass.

August 25, 2020
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Koogie said

lol.. I assume you know the return information for such a short period for a money market fund is irrelevant and incomparable to TDB8152. I also use TDB8152. I will bet you that the return for CIB483 as a money market fund will beat the bank set rate of TDB8152 on an ANNUAL basis which is of course the only benchmark that matters (and would be more relevant to the OP and his ongoing needs)

The seven-day 0.10% per annum return is much closer what CIB483 will return than the 1.47% over the past one year. None of the underlying US$ money market instruments now yield anywhere close to 1.47% + management fees.

At BMO InvestorLine, 239-day US Government treasury bills yield only 0.09%. Some Enbridge Pipeline US$ notes, maturing in 14 days, yield 0.41%. If one is willing to go down to the junk bond edge, Ally Financial US$ bonds, with BBB(low) DBRS rating, maturing in 231 days, pay 0.91%.

There isn't going to be much left after subtracting the management fee and expenses for the fund.

August 25, 2020
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I'm sure OP has looked into this but I'm just wondering what the rates are if you keep the money in the US in a US bank.
It always seems that the Americans get much better deals on, say, credit cards and coupons, so maybe there would be some promo offers worth following up?
One would want to look carefully at their deposit insurance system.

August 26, 2020
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Loonie said
One would want to look carefully at their deposit insurance system.  

Precisely, Loonie. Only U.S. citizens are eligible for FDIC coverage. Additionally interest earned in the U.S. by non citizens is subject to withholding, creating complications for tax returns.

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August 26, 2020
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FDIC coverage is on the products, not the account holder. This is from their Your Insured Deposits brochure:

What is the FDIC?
The FDIC—short for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation—is an independent agency of the United States government. The FDIC protects depositors of insured banks located in the United States against the loss of their deposits if an insured bank fails.

Any person or entity can have FDIC insurance coverage in an insured bank. A person does not have to be a U.S. citizen or resident to have his or her deposits insured by the FDIC.

FDIC insurance is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government. Since the FDIC began operations in 1934, no depositor has ever lost a penny of FDIC-insured deposits.

We found earlier that there's no US taxes on bank deposit interest paid to non-resident aliens of the US.

August 26, 2020
9:54 am
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Thanks for that information, Norman!

Stephen

August 26, 2020
2:36 pm
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When I lived in the US as a student for several years, I too ran into that issue with the withholding tax, but, being a student, my bank account wasn't that flush and the interest was minuscule so I didn't do anything about it.
However, I recall that they told me there was a certain form that could be filled out to avoid the withholding tax for a foreigner. Because the major local industry was the universities, this bank branch had a special department for foreigners, so they were up to date on such matters.
I never bothered with the form, but I think the code number on it started with letter "W". I believe the concept was that if you would be reporting the income for tax in Canada, you didn't have to have it withheld in the US. I don't know if this still applies but might be worth looking into for the funds you keep in the US.

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