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Trudeau announces COVID-19-related direct financial support for seniors aged 65 and over
June 5, 2020
9:50 am
Loonie
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The people on GIS will be getting more money than those simply getting OAS. Eligibility for GIS is dependent on income. Therefore updated income information will show if you are still eligible for GIS.

For the OAS supplement, your tax return won't make any difference. It's not taxable and there is no income qualification to get it. However, I heard the Minister(?) say a day or two ago that it is for "low and modest income" people, and I didn't know what was meant by that. GIS is clearly for low income people, but OAS is for everyone even if clawed back. Regular OAS is taxable, but GIS is not, if I remember correctly.

I was surprised to hear that this money is going out in July as I coulda sworn they said earlier that it would come with the June OAS payment.

June 6, 2020
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Chatted briefly with store Mgr. of my RCSS today, and among other things, like short shipping on many SKUs, some cuts of Beef have gone up as much as $11.00kg this week !!!!

My freezer is looking a bit empty these days, so looks like I'll need that $300 asap, to cover the cost of a single decent grade Tenderloin, so steaks can be on the menu at some point this summer.
otherwise, Hamburger Helper and fixins it will be ... I guess. 🙁

June 6, 2020
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Jim Sherat said
Chatted briefly with store Mgr. of my RCSS today, and among other things, like short shipping on many SKUs, some cuts of Beef have gone up as much as $11.00kg this week !!!!

My freezer is looking a bit empty these days, so looks like I'll need that $300 asap, to cover the cost of a single decent grade Tenderloin, so steaks can be on the menu at some point this summer.
otherwise, Hamburger Helper and fixins it will be ... I guess. 🙁  

I can buy Wagyu beef dog food for my dog quite cheaply. LOL
https://openfarmpet.com/products/grass-fed-beef-dry-dog-food

How come steaks for humans are getting so costly?

June 7, 2020
3:46 am
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If you buy it, that must make you "dog's best beefriend"!

More seriously, there was an interview on the Sunday morning show on CBC radio last week (I forget the name of the show) with an Oklahoma cattle farmer, head of some farm organization. I didn't listen closely enough to follow the argument. You might be able to find it online. Basically he was talking about shortages o in food production. Wish I'd paid better attention. It sounded worrisome for beef eaters and farmers, at a minimum.

June 7, 2020
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I think the issue is the concentration of beef processing.

Apparently, two large beef processing plants Alberta, for example, do 70% of Canada's beef. So, when they have to cut production or shutdown because of COVID-19, there is a large impact on the beef supply chain to the grocery stores.

There's no shortage of cattle. But, there seems to be a bottleneck right now in the processing of the cattle into the beef products we buy in the grocery stores, like steaks and ground beef.

More details are in articles like CBC: Why some think Canada's beef business needs more smaller players.

June 7, 2020
2:08 pm
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Yes, the guy from Oklahoma was saying something similar about the US. I did hear him refer to concentration into 3 businesses, only one of which is US-owned, but did not catch their function. Must have been the processing plants.

So, we can't look to the US to pick up the slack. And, if there is a shortage, Trump would probably prevent them exporting it anyway.

July 17, 2020
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Has anybody actually seen any of this money yet? I haven't

July 17, 2020
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My husband and I received our money on July 7th, directly into our bank account.

July 17, 2020
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Ours also came on July 07.

July 17, 2020
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I haven't seen that money, but I don't qualify. My relatives who are over 65 years old telling me they've got the money, by direct deposit.

July 17, 2020
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Yes, it arrived in our bank account early July as promised.

July 17, 2020
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Hmm.... I've been doing a bit more checking, and my problem could be related to not yet being formally registered with Service Canada because I'm on OAS deferral.

I consequently tried to register online with Service Canada as a first step to get things fixed, but I didn't get very far because their online registration system requires that you first be sent an access code in the mail (similar to how setting up CRA MyAccount works). That would have been fine, except their system wouldn't let me even request, much less issue that online access code. Instead, the interface just kept giving me the same error message that my SIN, name and birth information doesn't match their records, which is complete BS. Maybe it's just overloaded and giving out false error messages, who knows.

I then resorted to calling their registration helpline, but it's just a phonebot that eventually says everyone's too busy to take your call and then hangs up without taking any information from you with which to follow up. It's all very Kafka.

Eventually I found an alternative Service Canada help page elsewhere, and I was able to make an online request for a call-back to hopefully get my code sent out manually since I'm going to have to register with them for OAS sooner or later anyway, even if we never find my COVID payment. I should learn more next week.

July 17, 2020
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From the gov't site:
"Eligibility
The one-time payment for seniors is available to individuals who are eligible to receive the Old Age Security pension or the Guaranteed Income Supplement in June 2020.
How to apply
You do not have to apply. All individuals who are eligible to receive the Old Age Security pension or the Guaranteed Income Supplement in June 2020 will receive the one-time payment for seniors."

So am I "eligible" for June 2020 OAS if I'm 65 by then, whether I've applied for OAS or not, or whether I'm actually getting it or not? Or do I have to actually be getting OAS for June 2020 to get this money?

Globe and Mail June 5 Report on Business had a headline "For thousands of seniors, deferring pension means being denied emergency aid", but I can't read the article as I'm not a subscriber.

In any event there doesn't seem to be an application process for it, they seem to know who they consider to be "eligible" and who's getting the payment, which suggests to me it was sent to people actually already receiving OAS.

July 17, 2020
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Tell the government to pass bill c-17. People with disabilities seem to always get shafted.

July 17, 2020
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Vatox said
Tell the government to pass bill c-17. People with disabilities seem to always get shafted.  

"Always" isn't the word I'd use. Depending upon the disability and who or what caused it... as a tax payer (this may sound cold hearted) I shouldn't be the one paying for everyone's physical or mental problem. To be honest, i just don't care about you. This belief that i am owed, or i have an entitlement just drives me insane.

Hey... if i go insane will i get a disability payment? Will i even know if i get a payment or not?

If sliced bread is one of the best inventions (or was it the wheel?) A liberal by far has to be the worst.

July 17, 2020
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Kidd, I’m one of the hard working people that simply ended up with physical medical problems due to no fault of my own. I have three university degrees and worked hard and paid plenty of taxes too. Just because I am unable to work, doesn’t mean I shouldn’t get help too. Many Seniors don’t work and they have gotten plenty of COVID-19 support.

If that’s the way you feel, then You are a hypocrite for living in Canada.

July 17, 2020
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Dean said

Loonie said

Great idea, Dean! There is money being given out now in "broad strokes" as many have urgent need and it would take forever to sort out a more targeted system, especially with employees in isolation.
So it makes sense to pass it on if you don't need it. If nothing else comes to mind, your local food bank would appreciate it, and they do serve a lot of seniors.

. . .

Thanks for the idea, Loonie ❗

Donating 'directly' to our local Food Bank (via cheque) will help our local low-income seniors ... and other's too. sf-smile

And to the *&^%$# 'Scrooges' that Lurk here on these forms . . .

Think Again ❗ sf-confused

  

As an update . . .

My wife and I just donated our 'Seniors Justin Moolah' ($300 + $300 = $600) to our local Food Bank.

We hope it helps those in our area (low-income seniors & others) who are in need.

Thanks again to Loonie for the suggestion ❗ sf-smile

Cheerio,

    Dean

sf-cool " Live Long, Healthy ... And Prosper! " sf-cool

July 18, 2020
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Good for you, Dean, for helping and providing a good example. And I'll bet it made you feel good too!

Vatox, I'm glad you are able to contribute to the forum despite your challenges. Life sure isn't always fair.

July 18, 2020
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Londonguy said
Hmm.... I've been doing a bit more checking, and my problem could be related to not yet being formally registered with Service Canada because I'm on OAS deferral.

I consequently tried to register online with Service Canada as a first step to get things fixed, but I didn't get very far because their online registration system requires that you first be sent an access code in the mail (similar to how setting up CRA MyAccount works). That would have been fine, except their system wouldn't let me even request, much less issue that online access code.  

If you have CRA MyAccount, you should be able to get to Service Canada through it. Login to MyAccount and check bottom right of the main page:

Capture-Service-Canada.JPG

Alternatively, another approach. As it happened, I requested online access codes for myself at different times. They sent me same code every time. If you used access code for MyAccount and you still have it, you can try it with Service Canada. It might work.

July 18, 2020
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Bill said

Globe and Mail June 5 Report on Business had a headline "For thousands of seniors, deferring pension means being denied emergency aid", but I can't read the article as I'm not a subscriber.

Unfortunately this appears to be the case. Apparently some bureaucrat in Ottawa decided that if you're on deferral, you don't merit COVID assistance.

"Under Ottawa's definition, those seniors who have chosen to defer their pensions, in order to receive higher payments in the future, don't meet the eligibility requirement."

End of story. Despite the obvious temptation to turn this thread into a political rant, I'm not going to do that because it won't change anything.

Thanks to everybody who chimed in

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