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June 20, 2018
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hotmony said
Who cares about some political commentary. I follow this forum to make money I'd buy any debt including islamic if i can make money securely. Habib bank never has deals.  

Brimleychen said
If you dont consider foreign country risk, i believ Argentina interest rate is 22% as of last Friday:-)

If you don't think political commentary is relevant and are willing to put your money anywhere that promises a superior return, then you should definitely buy some of those Argentinian bonds at 22%.sf-surprised
Buying "securely" is a decision which, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, includes political factors. You are free to ignore them, of course.

It's hard to imagine Habib ever having superior rates as Islam officially prohibits the charging of interest, although they have developed some workarounds.

June 20, 2018
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I do not believe this is the place for political commentary either .

I do not feel Israeli should be promoted or bashed in comments here

But I will say that if the Iranians or some one nuk it off the map you are not going to get you capital back

I find many comment here about the portion of Israeli
Not talk of if you will get your money back at the end of the term

June 21, 2018
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An investment in any kind of bond, GIC, or savings account is an investment in the currency in which it is issued.
The purchasing power of currency and its value in relation to other currencies fluctuates constantly.

While not the only factor, politics influences the value of all currencies considerably and, thus, of your investments.

For a relatively recent example, consider how Sterling lost value after the Brexit vote. Nothing could be more political than that. They VOTED on it. Voting is a political act.
What more can I say? It's a serious problem for democracy that some people continue to have a very weak understanding of politics.

If you think you can just ignore politics and "take the money and run", especially when dealing in foreign currencies, without considering the political context, well, good luck to you. Don't call me when something goes wrong.

We tend to assume that at least our currency and the US dollar are relatively stable, but I have seen the Cdn dollar range from around 70centsUS to over $1.30 during my lifetime. Think about it.

June 21, 2018
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Political risk is a real thing

And I do not know if when a rating agency like moody is considering that when they give their rating . How would you judge the risk of a war in the middle east .

That is why I stay with Canada I know most about the politics here as compared to other places .

the board “ Canadian high interest saving “ is about Canada

This is not the right place to promote your Israeli bonds !

Or to sir up political divides of the middle east

Why bring this here ?

June 21, 2018
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As far as I know the all-time low for the floating Canadian dollar was 62 cents vs $USA (2002, Liberal Chretien was PM) and the all-time high was $1.10 (2007, Conservative Harper was PM).

June 21, 2018
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Snoop you don't seem too informed no offence. Israel bonds are sold in Canadian and US$. They are very legit, members of regulatory organizations and has a good credit rating. Anyone who invests to make money, jew or muslim, doesn't care about anti chatter as far as their investments go. No nuke is gonna be dropped on Israel as unlikely as one being dropped on america. There is no war in Israel it is as safe as any western country, everyone visits, their kids, grandkids on a regular basis. People from all over the world visit. The whose who of the global business community do business in Israel. The cost of a condo in Tel Aviv is approaching the most expensive cities in the world. The fake news makes it seem more volatile than it is. I have been to Israel. I also like the bonds for diversification. I wish other countries with good credit would issue bonds direct.

June 21, 2018
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Bill said
As far as I know the all-time low for the floating Canadian dollar was 62 cents vs $USA (2002, Liberal Chretien was PM) and the all-time high was $1.10 (2007, Conservative Harper was PM).  

it's a long time ago, but I recall it was much higher during the Diefenbaker govt., or around that time. I was young but always interested in such things. I even shook hands with Diefenbaker once!
In any event, a huge discrepancy either way.

I agree with hotmony on the foreign bonds issue. Israeli bonds are issued in Cdn currency and sold in Canada to Canadians, so are a clear option for "Canadian high interest savings".
However, even if they weren't, it's worth considering. Nobody seems to object to talking about the value of US investments, which are also foreign.

June 21, 2018
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snoopy said
Political risk is a real thing

And I do not know if when a rating agency like moody is considering that when they give their rating . How would you judge the risk of a war in the middle east .

Yes, the rating agencies are aware of and do consider political and geopolitical risk.

Fitch, in Fitch Affirms Israel at 'A+'; Outlook Stable, notes the following in November 2017:

Israel's ratings will continue to be constrained by political and security risks, but its credit profile has shown resilience to periodic conflict and political shocks over an extended timeframe. Conflicts with military groups in surrounding countries and territories flare up intermittently and can lead to increased spending commitments or be damaging to economic activity (despite Israel's improved defence capabilities). Israel is concerned by what it perceives as the growing influence of Iran in neighbouring Syria and Lebanon. There is a persistent risk of another conflict with Hizbollah, although there has not been a clash since 2006 and both sides would suffer losses. There has been no progress towards peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Fitch believes prospects for a realistic peace process remain bleak.

Domestic politics can be turbulent, with coalition governments often not lasting their full term. None of the coalition parties currently has a clear incentive for elections, but relations are fractious and could suddenly precipitate a new vote, …

Essentially, Israel's Fitch rating of A+ reflects those risks and would be higher had those political and geopolitical risks been absent.

Accurately estimating risk is not easy. I think the impact of a nuclear strike is overblown. Didn't Japan have two actual nuclear strikes? Yet, it still exists as a country today.

June 22, 2018
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In 1957 the $Cdn hit a high (until 2007) of $1.06 vs $USA. Diefenbaker's policies at one point brought it down to 92 cents, the "Diefenbuck".

June 22, 2018
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June 22, 2018
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hotmony said
Snoop you don't seem too informed no offence. Israel bonds are sold in Canadian and US$. They are very legit, members of regulatory organizations and has a good credit rating. Anyone who invests to make money, jew or muslim, doesn't care about anti chatter as far as their investments go. No nuke is gonna be dropped on Israel as unlikely as one being dropped on america. There is no war in Israel it is as safe as any western country, everyone visits, their kids, grandkids on a regular basis. People from all over the world visit. The whose who of the global business community do business in Israel. The cost of a condo in Tel Aviv is approaching the most expensive cities in the world. The fake news makes it seem more volatile than it is. I have been to Israel. I also like the bonds for diversification. I wish other countries with good credit would issue bonds direct.  

I believe the political risk are high and I think some one could nuk the place

When did the rating agency last review their political situation ?
My understanding is that they have engaged Iranians forces in Syria .
And the Iranians are free to build a nuclear bombs if they do not have one now see as the us cancelled their treaty they had to stop it > do not know if this all correct just my understanding from various news stories . I am a Canadian and invest and support my county

Why do not Israeli buy these bonds . in their own currency . in their own country they no more about the political situation their then most and they are not buying their own country bonds or they would not be in my country prompting these things

Does the united states issue bonds in non us currency and market them in foreign country ?

Dose Canada do this ?

June 22, 2018
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Iran Turkey these countries are not going back they are moving forward closer to the west they have too much to lose by being stupid.

Yes all the major western economies including Canada issue bonds in their own currencies as well as foreign currencies depending on market conditions but the majority of bonds in Canada for example are issued in CDN$. It's partly for diversification.

My advice follow CNN less read the facts more.

Israel could blow Iran off the face of the earth and if they miss America will do it.

June 22, 2018
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Investing in Israel? Not for me. You got any good deals in Sweden? I'm a pacifist kind of guy.

June 23, 2018
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hotmony said
Iran Turkey these countries are not going back they are moving forward closer to the west they have too much to lose by being stupid. 

Hilarious to read comments such as these ... you're kidding, right?

June 23, 2018
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snoopy said

Why do not Israeli buy these bonds . in their own currency . in their own country they no more about the political situation their then most and they are not buying their own country bonds or they would not be in my country prompting these things

Does Canada do this ?  

You do realize that those C$ and US$ Israel savings bonds sold by Canada-Israel Securities, Limited are targeted towards expatriate Israelis who now reside in Canada or the US! sf-laugh

Israel does issue shekel-denominated bonds too. But, those are not as convenient for investors here with C$ and US$ to invest instead of new Israeli shekels.

Canada has C$ Treasury bills. Canada also issues US$ denominated Canada Bills and Canada Notes in the United States. See Government of Canada Market Debt Instruments.

As well, in April, Ontario issued €1½ billion of seven-year 0.625% medium term notes in Europe. See Province of Ontario Foreign Denominated Bonds.

June 23, 2018
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hotmony said
Iran Turkey these countries are not going back they are moving forward closer to the west they have too much to lose by being stupid. 

From the Economist - Does this sound progressive to you? -

Mullahs rig the price of moolah in Iran

Iran looks ascendant in the Middle East, but its regime is messing up its own economy

For the second time in as many months, Iran’s “dollar patrol” is on the streets. The country’s currency, the rial, has lost a third of its value on the black market since September. On April 9th it sank to a record low of 61,000 to the dollar (when the official rate was 37,850). The next day the government imposed a rate of 42,000 and vowed to arrest anyone who bought or sold rials for what they are actually worth—as it did during the previous currency crisis, which was only in February.

Some are nonetheless flouting the rules, demanding 56,000 rials or so for a dollar. There were long lines and, surprise, surprise, dollar shortages at the handful of exchanges using the official rate. A lack of confidence in the rial reflects a lack of confidence in the economy. The housing market is stagnant and the banking sector is shaky. Iranians are snapping up foreign currency because it is one of the few sound investments available.

Something similar happened in 2012. Back then Iran was under crippling sanctions and suffered from an annual inflation rate of around 25%. Many Iranians thought those days were over when, in 2015, Iran signed a deal with world powers that imposed restrictions on its nuclear programme in exchange for sanctions relief. President Hassan Rouhani expected to attract large amounts of foreign investment and recoup $50bn in frozen assets, equivalent to 12% of GDP.

Those benefits have not all materialized. The government is quick to blame Donald Trump, the American president, who is threatening to withdraw from the agreement (and may do so next month). The fear of fresh sanctions no doubt dampens investment. So do American sanctions (related to other aspects of Iran’s behaviour) that remain in place and discourage big banks from handling Iranian transactions. In 2016 Iran recorded just $3.3bn in foreign inflows. Israel, with a similar GDP and one-tenth the population, drew $12.3bn.

But Iran’s corrupt, opaque economy would probably be struggling even without Mr Trump. Companies linked to the Revolutionary Guards have revenues equivalent to a large share of GDP. Their empire spans construction, mining and telecommunications. A foundation linked to the supreme leader holds $95bn in assets, according to an investigation by Reuters in 2013. Many banks are on the brink of insolvency, in part because of pyramid schemes that swindled millions of poor Iranians. The head of parliament’s economic committee said in April that some $30bn in capital fled the country at the end of last year.

From the outside Iran looks ascendant, using proxies to expand its reach across the Middle East. In Syria it is establishing a permanent military presence. In Yemen it dragged arch-rival Saudi Arabia into a ruinous war at little cost to itself. At home, however, the regime looks increasingly brittle. In late December thousands of Iranians unexpectedly took to the streets to vent their frustrations. A subsequent poll by the University of Maryland found that 69% of Iranians think the economy is in bad shape, up from 49% two years earlier. Two-thirds of them blame mismanagement and corruption, rather than sanctions. Nearly half think Iran spends too much money on foreign adventures.

The protests stopped after the regime killed or locked up lots of protesters, but it is now battling discontent on other fronts. Dozens of young women have been arrested for doffing their headscarves in public to protest the official dress code. In February there were deadly clashes between the police and Sufis, who have long been harassed by the authorities. After a rare uproar in parliament this winter, Mr Rouhani backtracked on plans to cut subsidies.

Looming over all this is the question of who will succeed Ali Khamenei, the 78-year-old supreme leader who is rumoured to have suffered from prostate cancer. The presumed front-runner, Ebrahim Raisi, embarrassed himself last year when he ran for the presidency—and lost by 19 points. Whoever takes charge will inherit a restive, youthful country that has been mismanaged for decades. The nuclear pact created hopes for change. Unmet expectations may pose a bigger threat to the regime than sanctions ever did.

June 23, 2018
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