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February 20, 2018
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How does it work with the Sabra its accrued for tax purposes, for example, if 20k bond bought Nov 1 2018 @2.5% then t5 would show $82.19 in interest for 2018 tax year?
No politics please
8:38 am
November 7, 2014
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From what I can tell, the Sabra is a one year bond. Interest will be paid in 2019 for which a t5 will be issued in early 2020. In any case, you need not accrue, for tax purposes, daily interest for part of a taxation year on an investment which only pays interest annually. You should be concerned with interest actually accrued at the anniversary date, if compounded, or when paid. Hope that helps.
9:27 am
September 30, 2017
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[ In the absence of T5 ] The income you report is based on the interest you earned (accured but not necessarily paid out ?) during each complete investment year [anniversaries] (as compared to calendar year [Dec 31st]?)
[ what if - at year of maturity the FI issued T5 (& upload CRA directly) for the total accumulated interest payout ? is that a possible scenario ]
9:29 am
February 20, 2018
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Sabra is/was 3yr i believe israel uses accrued method interest collected daily till year end as opposed to ur average gic which reports interest annually from the date of issuance so if invested oct 3 2017 for example then t5 reports the following year. Israel doesn't report by "complete year" apparently
"Taxation of Interest on Bonds. A holder that is a corporation, partnership, unit trust or any trust of which a corporation or partnership is a beneficiary will be required to include in computing its income for a taxation year any interest on a bond that accrues or is deemed to accrue to the holder to the end of that taxation year or becomes receivable or is received by the holder before the end of that taxation year, except to the extent that such interest was included in
the holder’s income for a preceding taxation year.
Any other holder, including an individual (other than certain trusts), will be required to include in computing its income for a taxation year any interest on a bond that is received or receivable by such holder in that taxation year (depending upon the method regularly followedby the holder in computing income), except to the extent that such interest was included in the
holder’s income for a preceding taxation year. In addition, if at any time a bond should become an “investment contract” (as defined in the Tax Act) in relation to a holder, such holder will be required to include in computing income for a taxation year any interest that accrues or is deemed to accrue to the holder on the bond up to the end of any “anniversary day” (as defined in
the Tax Act) in that taxation year to the extent such interest was not otherwise included in the holder’s income for that taxation year or a preceding taxation year.
A holder that throughout the relevant taxation year is a “Canadian-controlled private corporation” (as defined in the Tax Act) may be liable to pay an additional refundable tax of 10⅔% on its aggregate investment income, which is defined in the Tax Act to include interest."
https://www.israelbonds.ca/pdf/Israel%20Bonds%20CDN%20Savings%20Bond%20Memorandum.pdf Offering mem.
https://www.israelbonds.ca/pdf/Israel%20Bonds%20US%20Savings%20Bond%20Prospectus.pdf Prosp.
9:16 pm
April 6, 2013
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The Offering Memorandum says the Sabra Savings Bonds come in 1-, 2-, 3-, 5-, and 10-year terms:
Denominations
You may buy each 1-Year, 2-Year, 3-Year, 5-Year and 10-Year Canadian Dollar Savings Bond in a minimum denomination of CDN$2,500 (and integral multiples of CDN$500 in excess of CDN$2,500). You may buy each 1-Year Canadian Dollar Sabra Savings Bond in a minimum denomination of CDN$25,000 (and integral multiples of CDN$1,000 in excess of CDN$25,000). The maximum amount of 1-Year Canadian Dollar Sabra Savings Bonds that may be purchased by any person to be issued on any Issue Date is CDN$500,000. You may buy each 2-Year, 3-Year, 5-Year and 10-Year Canadian Dollar Sabra Savings Bond in a minimum denomination of CDN$1,000 (and integral multiples of CDN$100 in excess of CDN$1,000). …
Interest is compounded annually:
Interest
The bonds will accrue interest from (and including) the Issue Date until (but not including) the maturity date, at the rate announced by the State of Israel prior to the Issue Date. Interest will be compounded annually and will not be paid until maturity. The bonds will not earn or accrue interest after maturity.
These bonds don't seem to be any of the exceptions to the definition of "investment contracts" in Income Tax Act subsection 12(11) to a holder who is an individual and not a corporation or a partnership.
As investment contracts to the individual holder, interest is reported by the individual on the anniversary dates, regardless of how the issue reports the interest, under Income Tax Act subsection 12(4):
Interest income
12(3) Subject to subsection 12(4.1), in computing the income for a taxation year of a corporation, partnership, unit trust or any trust of which a corporation or a partnership is a beneficiary, there shall be included any interest on a debt obligation (other than interest in respect of an income bond, an income debenture, a small business bond, a small business development bond, a net income stabilization account or an indexed debt obligation) that accrues to it to the end of the year, or becomes receivable or is received by it before the end of the year, to the extent that the interest was not included in computing its income for a preceding taxation year.
Interest from investment contract
12(4) Subject to subsection (4.1), if in a taxation year a taxpayer (other than a taxpayer to whom subsection (3) applies) holds an interest in, or for civil law a right in, an investment contract on any anniversary day of the contract, there shall be included in computing the taxpayer’s income for the year the interest that accrued to the taxpayer to the end of that day with respect to the investment contract, to the extent that the interest was not otherwise included in computing the taxpayer’s income for the year or any preceding taxation year.
3:58 am
February 20, 2018
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Annual compounded yes but reported daily accrual so if bought in September 2018 interested reported to cra till dec. 31 the next year jan 1 to dec 31 etc.. does it really make a difference when
Some of their bonds issued by prospectus other offering memorandum ? https://www.israelbonds.ca/prospectus-offering-memorandum/
5:24 pm
April 6, 2013
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hotmony said
Annual compounded yes but reported daily accrual so if bought in September 2018 interested reported to cra till dec. 31 the next year jan 1 to dec 31 etc.. does it really make a difference whenSome of their bonds issued by prospectus other offering memorandum ? https://www.israelbonds.ca/prospectus-offering-memorandum/
If you've found something in another prospectus, feel free to point it out. So far, there is nothing to indicate that the Sabra bonds' daily accrual leads to calendar year reporting of the accrued interest for individuals.
Interest accrual and T5 reporting are different things. My 3-month EQ Bank GIC's I bought in November have daily accrual of interest. Just downloaded my 2018 T5 from EQ Bank's web site. As expected, the 2018 T5 includes none of the accrued interest to the end of December for the GIC's.
5:08 am
February 20, 2018
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Israel bonds compound annually but t5 reports till december 31 not next year if bought say in the september before december so tax reported on income tax return sept-dec31. Got t5 for sept-dec31 are u saying no need to report this t5 till the following year?
5:23 am
September 7, 2018
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See next post for simple explanation how to report interest for GICs and Bonds.
6:54 am
September 7, 2018
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Here is a simple explanation of how to report interest on GICs and Bonds.
Institutions are supposed to issue T5 which includes both interest paid and interest accrued if the total is $50 or more.
When interest income must be reported -
Generally speaking, all interest received or earned must be reported annually. For interest earned on bank accounts, GICs with a term of one year or less, and regular interest bonds, the computation of interest earned will not pose a problem. Where the interest paid for the year is $50 or more, a T5 slip will be issued by the payor, and the interest payment for the year will be indicated on that T5.
Where interest is earned on GICs having a term of more than 12 months or on compound interest bonds, the holder of the GIC or bond must still report and pay tax on the “notional” amount of interest paid for the year, as in the following simplified examples.
On January 1, 2010, John buys a $1,000, three year GIC that pays interest at a rate of 5% per year, compounded annually, with all interest paid at maturity. On his 2010 tax return (with a filing due date of April 30, 2011), John must report and pay tax on $50 of interest income (5% of $1,000), despite the fact that he has not actually received any interest payments from the issuer of the GIC.
Of course, it’s usually the case that investments are made at different times throughout the year, and interest that accrued but that was not paid on such investments is reported for the taxation year during which the anniversary date falls. For example, a taxpayer who makes a long-term investment on June 1, 2009, will report on his or her return for 2010 the interest that accumulated to the end of May 2010, whether or not a T5 slip is received. Similarly, interest earned from June 2009 to May 2010 will be reported on the taxpayer’s 2010 return.
7:00 am
April 6, 2013
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hotmony said
… Got t5 for sept-dec31 are u saying no need to report this t5 till the following year?
Are you sure that T5 is for interest on bonds bought in September 2018 and not for some other Israel bonds bought in a previous year? Some issuers, like Hubert Financial, issue one combined T5 slip for the total interest and not an individual T5 slip for the interest from each account or each GIC.
A remote possibility is that the Israel bonds compound annually in December, regardless of what month they were bought. But, that's not the usual practice. Usually, if a multi-year bond is bought in September, the annual compounding is done in September of each year.
8:20 am
September 7, 2018
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Norman1 said
hotmony said
… Got t5 for sept-dec31 are u saying no need to report this t5 till the following year?Are you sure that T5 is for interest on bonds bought in September 2018 and not for some other Israel bonds bought in a previous year? Some issuers, like Hubert Financial, issue one combined T5 slip for the total interest and not an individual T5 slip for the interest from each account or each GIC.
A remote possibility is that the Israel bonds compound annually in December, regardless of what month they were bought. But, that's not the usual practice. Usually, if a multi-year bond is bought in September, the annual compounding is done in September of each year.
Norman is correct. "Usually, if a multi-year bond is bought in September, the annual compounding is done in September of each year. "
I would think Israel Bonds compound on anniversary date.
9:17 am
February 20, 2018
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Israel bonds compound on dec 31 no matter when bought thats how the calculation works out on the following year's t5. They are different than gics that way. I don't remember were Csbs like that or Osbs. Thanks guys
10:32 am
December 12, 2009
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Even if they compound on December 31st, wouldn't you still have to report the partial year's interest (Sept-Dec, inclusive)?
Some FIs, I've noticed, will include January 1st's interest from December on the previous year's tax slip. I assume we still would have to report that, but is what you mean by accrual for tax purposes?
Cheers,
Doug
5:26 pm
February 20, 2018
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Yes doug reporting sept-dec these bonds are unusual that way the math appears to work out
Accrual I mean report each day covered by t5 even if it's less than a year
6:30 am
September 7, 2018
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hotmony said
Israel bonds compound on dec 31 no matter when bought thats how the calculation works out on the following year's t5. They are different than gics that way. I don't remember were Csbs like that or Osbs. Thanks guys
Hotmony
I have confirmed with both Computershare who issue the T-5s for Israel Bonds, and the Israel Bond Office, that the 3 year Sabra Bond compounds each year on the anniversary date of the issue date of the bond NOT December 31. A T-5 is sent to investors each year in accord with normal CRA requirements. You might want to recheck the source of your information.
7:46 am
February 20, 2018
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Cdn i guess then maybe it's the same the way you/they view it and I. The t5 was for bonds bought during the purchase year. If include that interest annually in the following year the math still throws off the t5. I guess its the choice of the bondholder to include 2018 bought t5 in that year or the following.. i'll add not sure who u spoke to but israel bond office and computershare is sorta "sketch" on the matter of how they are taxed
8:39 am
December 12, 2009
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hotmony said
Yes doug reporting sept-dec these bonds are unusual that way the math appears to work outAccrual I mean report each day covered by t5 even if it's less than a year
What do you mean by "report each day covered by t5"?
Cheers,
Doug
4:14 pm
March 16, 2019
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Anyone know how I report Israel Bonds held inside a brokerage account on my tax return? I received a T5008 for them, and the disposition value is not a number rounded to the nearest $10. Normally I receive T5s for interest of Israel Bonds at Computershare.
Thanks!
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