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January 6, 2025
9:03 am
Dean
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This is one of the Best basic summaries on Investing that I've seen in a very Long Time . . .

It makes for a very good first-tool for anyone (young or old), about to take their first steps into Investing.

Share as you see fit.

    Dean

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January 6, 2025
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I like that BCSC puts ETFs first in their list here https://www.investright.org/understand-investing/types-of-investments/common-investments/ There is a lot of history about 'stock investing', both through individual stocks and through high cost mutual funds, that no longer applies with ETFs .

There is no need whatsoever today to even look at a single stock, or a boutique slice of the equity markets, when there are low cost broad based index ETFs available to diversify holdings and mitigate both risk and volatility by buying the haystack. The older generations are unlikely to change their views but our Millennials, Gen-Z and perhaps even our Gen-Xers have completely different opportunities today to invest with more confidence and more predictable results.

January 6, 2025
11:22 am
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Are ETFs derivatives? Or is it as direct an interest as actually holding shares of a company? I've never bothered to find out because at my stage I don't care but that would be of interest to me if I was a starting-out investor with limited funds.

January 6, 2025
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ETFs are of all colors which have become a problem. 15-20 years ago, they were plain vanilla holders of the stocks in the representative index, either in whole or enough of a representative sample to actually track the index.

All of those still exist and are the elephants in the room but another 1000 or more ETFs have been spawned by FIs looking to create a niche for themselves with hedging strategies, e.g. to the loonie, with puts and options, derivatives, etc. Not unlike the tarnished mutual fund industry except with lower MERs.

Thus, one has to look 'under the hood' at their prospectus (or fund facts at least) to know whether they stay true to the indices they represent or are 'boutique' ETFs, hooks looking for fish.

Almost all of my ETFs are holders of the actual stocks in the index they track, e.g. all 500 stocks in the S&P500, and results track the index. Nothing with derivatives, hedging, puts, options, sector biases, etc. An entire equity portfolio of $100k, or $10M, can consist of as little as one ETF, or more generally, 3-5 ETFs to spread the joy between a few sponsors such as Blackrock or Vanguard.

January 6, 2025
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ETF's are not direct holdings. When one buys units or shares of an ETF, one is buying units or shares in a trust or corporation that invests.

Some index ETF's directly invest in the shares or units that make up the index. Others will enter into a contract with a counterparty, like a major bank, that provides the returns or losses of the index.

The currency-hedged ETF's will definitely have derivatives for the currency hedging. Companies usually do not issue classes of currency-hedged common shares to cater to foreign investors.

As AltaRed notes, there are lots of "boutique" ETF's looking for gullible fish. Fish who can't read a balance sheet but somehow think they can profitably underweight and overweight certain stocks and sectors of the market.

January 6, 2025
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One can create one's own ETF by owning directly the individual stocks that make up the TSX60 and/or the DJ30.

January 6, 2025
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COIN said
One can create one's own ETF by owning directly the individual stocks that make up the TSX60 and/or the DJ30.  

That is where the problem starts. Some stocks go up fast and some go down fast. The majority of individual stock pickers are then caught in a farm combine needing/wanting/itching to do something about it with less than a 50% chance of making the right decisions. Folks who have shied away from stock picking have either had bad experiences, know someone with bad experiences, or are not emotionally equipped to handle the ups and downs of owning individual holdings.

The real purpose of ETFs is to keep the cover on the black box, not look inside and simply accept index returns less an MER of maybe 0.05-0.1%. A small price to pay to keep one's hands off the switches, and most importantly, to provide a vehicle for investors who do not have the temperament or inclination to be stock pickers.

P.S. The DJ is a horrible index. Manipulated holdings of 30 industrials in a market of 5000 stocks, or at least 500 large caps. How does the DJ30 represent the US market? Why that thing has not been deep sixed is mystifying at best.

January 6, 2025
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Dean said
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This is one of the Best basic summaries on Investing that I've seen in a very Long Time . . .

It makes for a very good first-tool for anyone (young or old), about to take their first steps into Investing.

Share as you see fit.

    Dean

  

This is just a list of ingredients; there is no recipe to make it into a coherent portfolio.

For young people I would recommend a book. Something like “Reboot Your Portfolio: 9 Steps to Successful Investing with ETFs”.

January 6, 2025
5:49 pm
Dean
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    Exactly ⬆ ❗

The link in Post #1 is just a list of basic investment ingredients/information to get a novice started. It was Never intended to be, as you say; " ... a coherent portfolio". For that, a novice would have to move onto the next logical steps.

As with most learning processes, it's hardly Ever one-great-leap ... but a series of well aimed small steps.

My Two Nickels,

    Dean

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What is it with that Chip you always bring here on your shoulder ❓

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January 6, 2025
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AltaRed said


The real purpose of ETFs is to keep the cover on the black box, not look inside and simply accept index returns less an MER of maybe 0.05-0.1%. A small price to pay to keep one's hands off the switches, and most importantly, to provide a vehicle for investors who do not have the temperament or inclination to be stock pickers.

Also, one can't easily track indices with 60, 300, or 500 names accurately directly with modest portfolios.

Just owning the same 60, 300, or 500 names in an index isn't going to produce the same returns unless one also matches the weights of those names in the index.

Microsoft currently has a weight around 6.3% in the S&P 500. That works out to be about 1.47 shares for a US$10,000 tracking of the S&P 500. How is one going to get that 0.47 share? If one rounds down to 1 share, then the weighting will be 4.5%. If one rounds up to 2 shares, then the weighting will be 8.6%.

The dividends also need to be reinvested with matching weights with the same challenges.

January 6, 2025
11:33 pm
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I am quite happy to pay small MERs to have ETFs offer me a basket of stocks. But there are quite a few mainstay everyday non-trendy companies that I directly hold shares of, which offer me a sense of ownership that ETFs don't.

mordko said
For young people I would recommend a book. Something like “Reboot Your Portfolio: 9 Steps to Successful Investing with ETFs”.  

A book my father gave me that I really recommend is "Risk Is A Four Letter Word". It is a quarter century old, and predates ETF's (and most self-directed trading), but the principles of gauging risk & asset allocation have not changed, just the products and methods we use to obtain it have.

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