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Fiduciary duty
June 12, 2020
4:23 pm
Bud
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Is it a breach of fiduciary duty to manage a portfolio too conservatively? For example 100% Gics for a client in his 50s, 60s or 70s. Someone suggested it could be negligence.

June 12, 2020
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It depends on the client profile. If the client says they do not want to take ANY risk that their portfolio might decrease in value, then the adviser is right to put them in GICs.
However, since one can invest in GICs without a portfolio manager, it doesn't really make sense to use one, at least in my opinion. There could, however, be some people who want someone else to do this for them in order to ensure that all their investments are insured or because they have a disability which makes it hard for them to do it all themselves.

June 12, 2020
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Would this person, who said it could be negligence, be one of those pretending-to-be-an-advisor salespeople trying to sell mutual funds, universal life insurance, or private placement shares?

I think it would be difficult to sue someone for negligence when one doesn't have a resulting loss to show.

June 12, 2020
10:09 pm
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Yes, I wondered too where the complaint was coming from.
Everyone in this industry wants your business. Many will say almost anything to get it. Most will claim you would have done SO much better if you'd chosen them to work with and that therefore you should have. But their plan almost always involves more risk. There is a lot of psychology involved.

June 13, 2020
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Many, if not most sit on their stock portfolios, watching the numbers rise and fall. With GICs, you have a start date and an end date. You get to realize the results upon maturity and see the true magic of compounding interest.

In my early 40s maybe late 30s, i went with 100% GICs. Sure, i have to declare and pay income tax on the interest made but that money is mine to spend and i can base a budget around that guaranteed income.

June 13, 2020
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It's a breach of fiduciary duty to manage a portfolio outside the agreed upon parameters.

Whether or not a lawsuit would be successful would depend partly on the extent of the loss suffered by not managing the portfolio within the agreed upon parameters.

June 13, 2020
11:26 am
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Loonie said
Yes, I wondered too where the complaint was coming from.
Everyone in this industry wants your business. Many will say almost anything to get it. Most will claim you would have done SO much better if you'd chosen them to work with and that therefore you should have. But their plan almost always involves more risk. …

There always is more risk. The higher returns realized are not for just dealing with the person.

Executed properly, the winners will more than cover the inevitable losers and make it much more worthwhile than being in GIC's.

June 13, 2020
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It's true that the past indicates equities beat GICs, but I'd disagree it's a given going forward. In my (likely minority) view, today's people in the western world are gleefully tossing traditional capitalism on history's trash heap, plus there's increasingly-acrimonious societal divisions on all fronts, thus I have hardly any confidence the future will resemble the general growth and prosperity of the last 70-odd years. Other parts of the world are a different matter but it's way to early to tell where it's profitable to invest there. So around here GICs might be the way to go going forward, I'm not at all sure the future will be like the recent past.

June 13, 2020
3:22 pm
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Bill said
It's true that the past indicates equities beat GICs, but I'd disagree it's a given going forward. In my (likely minority) view, today's people in the western world are gleefully tossing traditional capitalism on history's trash heap, plus there's increasingly-acrimonious societal divisions on all fronts, thus I have hardly any confidence the future will resemble the general growth and prosperity of the last 70-odd years. Other parts of the world are a different matter but it's way to early to tell where it's profitable to invest there. So around here GICs might be the way to go going forward, I'm not at all sure the future will be like the recent past.  

I agree, Bill. With Trudeau looking like he's going to extend CERB till January, doesn't look like there's going to be a lot of incentive for people to go back to work. Who knows how that will affect economic growth, taxation, stock market, and pensions going forward.

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