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Downloadable T5's
February 28, 2023
4:25 am
KamWest
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I like to get my taxes done early to see what I owe, I often owe significant amounts and I like to prepare for that when I set my yearly investment budget.

That said, I find it barbaric how long I have to wait for some T5's.

My last hold out (still not received) is Hubert. They have downloadable T5's but it was not available until Feb 26th.

First off I think all Banks should be forced to make downloadable T5's available. This whole mailing thing is a crap show and inevitably one of my T5's ends up in the wrong hands. I had a neighbour come to me and say, sorry I opened it, how did you get xxk in interest?

Holy crap, talk about a privacy crap fest.

Do we have an official list of financial institutions that offer downloadable T5's and it would be great to have a date on them that showed when the financial institution traditionally has them ready.

So far (as of the date of this post) I had no notification or snail mail from Hubert. Had I not checked closely online I would still be waiting.

February 28, 2023
4:40 am
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Do agree snail mail T5 should be retired 100%, it’s better for the environment and trees. However that does not mean you will get it any faster.
End of Feb deadline to get it all is not too bad. And you mentioned you owe tax, so you won’t file until April anyway.
I am in similar situation but given I have to wait for T3 receipts plus others, I just add receipts as they arrive. Just set aside enuf funds to cover any potential tax comes April. If it’s mostly T5 only for you, you should have a good idea how much u owe in tax without needing ur T5. Not a biggie.

February 28, 2023
4:58 am
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Easy to make that interim payments also at CRA. If you owe significant amounts then CRA expects those pre-payments anyway. CRA fines can be excessive.

February 28, 2023
5:08 am
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Great point, they should give the client the option of receiving T5 in the mail (just like option to receive paper monthly statements, Stock annual reports etc.).

Make the T5 available on the logged-in website. Just send a notice by e-mail that there is a message on the site (like CRA does).

It's also available through MyAccount (CRA).

I fully agree that paper mail is a Security risk. T5's contain sensitive information.

So 3 sources of the same T5 increase the risk accordingly.

February 28, 2023
7:40 am
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Still waiting for peoples and motive , got eq , rbc direct . Hubert,

February 28, 2023
8:04 am
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I like snail mail, but I've moved away from it as much as possible because canada post seems incapable of hiring people capable of putting mail in the correct box. At least 20-25% (the percentage continues to gradually rise) of my current mail is not for me and based on what I never receive, it seems most people keep mail that's not for them. There is certain mail like CC renewals which I've had to ask for them to resend and change it to requiring a signature or id pick up somewhere, because it was 'lost'. It's crazy and this experience has not been in just one community or province.

One mail I received in error recently, which looked like a T5, I had to put in the mail box to be sent to the correct address 3 times, because they kept putting it back in my mail box and it was nothing even close to my address!

February 28, 2023
8:25 am
AltaRed
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I have railed for years on FIs to make everything PDF online and downloadable.

Canada Post is an insecure operation and I am particularly obsessed when receiving financially related stuff with my SIN or account number is on it. Absolutely NOTHING that needs to be secure should come via Canada Post.

Alas, some bank related T5s still come snail mail. I assume some mutual fund company T3s do the same. It's a travesty.

February 28, 2023
8:38 am
Dean
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When in comes to producing T5's, all the FI's I'm aware of are operating within the law, and CRA mandates. If that doesn't suit you, crying & whining about it will accomplish absolutely Nothing.

Your only real recourse is to petition the government to change the laws and CRA mandates.

'Good Luck' with that.

    Dean

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February 28, 2023
9:13 am
AltaRed
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All FIs can go PDF downloadable if the FI provides customers with the option to opt for electronic communications. It's on the FI to make that option available. it is not complicated.

February 28, 2023
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AltaRed said
All FIs can go PDF downloadable if the FI provides customers with the option to opt for electronic communications. It's on the FI to make that option available. it is not complicated.  

Totally. For example at CIBC, they give me the option to rec ALL other statements electronically, except the T5. Makes no economical nor operational sense. The retail head & technology head over there just a bunch of dumb ass.

February 28, 2023
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AltaRed
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FIs already send those T5s to CRA electronically. I just pulled the LBC Digital T5 down from CRA My Account and it will look exactly the same as the one that will eventually get here by Canada Post....if it does not get misplaced, stolen or waylaid on the floor of the postal sorting facility.

P.S. Spouse received her T5 from Royal Bank esavings account electronically. At least they had the common sense to recognize that an e (electronic) savings account should have an electronic PDF T5 capability!

March 1, 2023
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Winnie
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phrank said ... canada post seems incapable of hiring people capable of putting mail in the correct box. At least 20-25% (the percentage continues to gradually rise) of my current mail is not for me ... 

I completely agree with phrank.
My similar experience with Canada Post is very unsatisfactory too.
Nothing should be sent via Canada Post, that contains secure information (SIN, DOB, etc.)

March 1, 2023
11:26 am
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T5s all eventually appear on My Account. Is there a reason anybody who uses My Account would need to download or have a hardcopy T5?

March 2, 2023
3:05 am
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T4/T5 deliveries:

My governmental T4As were first to arrive, as noted here a week or so ago. Then, among the financial institutions, usually-disorganized Oaken/Home Trust was next!

All but one of the remaining ones arrived in March 1st. This is actually one day late for the end-of-February deadline for us to get them, but as my friendly letter carrier pointed out, they had a snow day here in Vancouver on the 28th, so I can't complain too much. She was struggling under the 2-day buildup of mail, most of it of course the cursed Amazon dead trees but also a heap of tax slips.

One FI, that holds only TFSA GIC cash for me, didn't send a slip because I only earned 12 cents there, for a day or two when funds were transferring between accounts.

Coast Capital, a well-established national credit union (they went national a couple of years back), is the lone hold-out. I called them to get the interest amount to get started on my return but, as usual, they wouldn't deal with me over the phone, saying that I didn't do enough transactions for them to trust who I was. (Only GIC business there for me.) Nobody else has such a whacko policy. They want me to go to a branch, which is a pain; there is only one branch downtown (Hah! try parking!) and another right in the centre of subway construction on Broadway, which blocks access AND parking. The next closest branch is in the island city of Richmond south of the airport.

I guess my best bet is to wait and see if their slips reach me this week. I REALLY don't want to ride my (motor)bike down to Richmond in the aftermath of a snow day with more forecast for tomorrow (the 2nd)! Taking the bus means COVID-19 risk as well as four bus fares (over $12!), because Vancouver doesn't allow transfers from bus to SkyTrain. Not gonna.

Mail vs Mail:
Well, not everyone has the same experiences, I guess. I've found Canada Post to be incredibly reliable, and online stuff hopeless. Not to mention that E-mail is completely unsecured - that's why the banks send you an E-mail to say you have a message on their web site, which should be more secure. But then, both CRA's and most financial institutions' servers get breached fairly often. And of course servers are often down for maintenance or failures.

I have gotten a neighbor's mail a few times over the last three decades here, but we have always caught and passed on the misdirected items save one time when another user at the same FI mistook my statement for hers. Most of the misdeliveries are mis-addressed by the sender.

Do the tax laws mandate still hard-copy slips?

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March 2, 2023
4:13 am
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RetirEd said
T4/T5 deliveries:

Well, not everyone has the same experiences, I guess. I've found Canada Post to be incredibly reliable, and online stuff hopeless. Not to mention that E-mail is completely unsecured - that's why the banks send you an E-mail to say you have a message on their web site, which should be more secure. But then, both CRA's and most financial institutions' servers get breached fairly often. And of course servers are often down for maintenance or failures.

I have gotten a neighbor's mail a few times over the last three decades here, but we have always caught and passed on the misdirected items save one time when another user at the same FI mistook my statement for hers. Most of the misdeliveries are mis-addressed by the sender.

Do the tax laws mandate still hard-copy slips?

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As long as one signs and agree to electronic delivery, paper slips are NOT mandated. Canada post does a decent job, at least on my street, but that’s irrelevant,
Realized you are allergic to technology esp the internet, but rare breed like you will be even more rare over the next 20 years. Just because one has a paper copy in hand does not guarantee you will have uninterrupted access to your financials. If a bank’s record are on the cloud and whatever and is inaccessible by then, that paper copy you show the teller won’t do you any good. That is reality. Money under the pillow is what one needs if that is the concern.

March 2, 2023
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The law and courts take paper records provided by any party very seriously.

It would be a mistake to say I'm "allergic to technology esp the internet" - I have been intimately involved in it since becoming a programmer in the sixties. I use it a lot, but am wary of the world-exposure of the internet and of mobile phone technology. I don't use anything on the internet linked to my live identity; I have more than a dozen computers, but only one connected on-line. My finances have their own machine with no external connections.
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