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canada mortage bonds
May 23, 2009
12:31 pm
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Has anyone out there bought Canada Mortage Bonds. Where do u buy them. what are the rates for 2009.

May 24, 2009
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By Canada Mortgage Bonds, I presume you mean CMHC bonds, which can be bought from any broker, such as CIBC Investor's Edge and BMO Investorline. They yield about 3% currently for issues maturing in 2015. CMHC bonds are traded daily in the bond market, and their yields fluctuate with the market price. Because CMHC bonds are backed by the Gov't of Canada, they're priced and traded like treasury bonds.

May 24, 2009
11:42 am
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are canada mortgage bond liquid and can u lose on your princpal amount. do u get yeild every month at same rate

May 24, 2009
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CMHC bonds are liquid because they're traded like treasury bonds in the bond market. But all bond prices fluctuate, so if you sell it before maturity, you may take a capital loss. Also, there is a spread between the buy and sell (bid and ask) prices, which guarantees that if you sell a bond you just bought, you will lose money on the spread.

Bonds have a fixed coupon yield; the price at which you buy it determines the effective yield. For example, there is a CMHC bond issue maturing in Apr 2015, priced at $107.88 with a 4.3% coupon. That means you're paying almost $108 for the privilege of receiving $100 at maturity. In the meantime, you receive $4.30 interest per $100 of face value (not market value) per year (that's $2.15 paid semi-annually, not monthly). The effective yield is 2.83%. The coupon interest of $4.30 is fixed regardless of what price you pay for the bond (thus the term, fixed income), but the price fluctuates in the open market. So if you buy the bond for more than $107.88, your yield is less.

May 24, 2009
3:59 pm
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where would find if the canada mortgage bond that u buy is going up on down on open market
is there a website for this ?

May 25, 2009
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You can check prices in the bond section of your online brokerage account and at GlobeInvestor.com (you get more information if you subscribe to GlobeInvestor Gold). For articles on bonds, go to SmartMoney.com. It's a US Web site, so they don't talk about Canada, but what's true for US bonds is usually true for Cdn bonds. Read the article on the bear market in treasuries. I don't like treasuries, and I don't want you to think I recommend them.

May 25, 2009
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when is the best time to buy canada mortgage fund when the stock market is in decline?

May 26, 2009
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There is no "canada mortgage fund." For CMHC bonds, which are a type of Cdn treasury bond, the best time to buy is early in the rate-cutting cycle. This is the end of the rate-cutting cycle. Cdn treasuries do seem to benefit from flight-to-quality.

Mortgage funds, which are backed by mortgages, are a different matter. They don't benefit from flight-to-quality, and they don't necessarily benefit from rate cuts or suffer from rate hikes. Mortgages tend to be short-term, and mortgage rates aren't set by interest rate policy. Mortgage funds that hold only short-term mortgages can benefit from higher mortgage rates, because they continually get new mortgages.

Where did you hear about your so-called "Canada Mortgage Bonds"?

May 26, 2009
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when u say early in rate cutting cycle does that mean when bond is first issued. please explain

May 27, 2009
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The bank rate, the interest rate at which the Bank of Canada lends to banks, is set by interest rate policy. In 2000, the bank rate was 6; it was cut steadily to 2.25 by 2002. Then it was raised steadily to 4.75 by 2007. It has been cut steadily to .5 since. (Strictly speaking, interest rate policy sets the target for the overnight rate, which is slightly lower than the bank rate. The target rate is now at .25.) The last time the bank rate was increased was Jul 2007. When interest rate policy reversed, and the first rate cut came in Dec 2007, it was a signal that a rate-cutting cycle had begun. That was the best time to buy treasuries, or lock in term deposits.

May 27, 2009
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do u know where i can get daily monthly yearly bond chart for canada housing trust cmhc

May 27, 2009
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GlobeInvestorGold is the only site with bond charts. It has both the price chart and the yield chart. You can try it with a free trial subscription.

May 28, 2009
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is there any difference between buying 5 year gic at 3.5 interest. or buying bond at 5 years. i know the the gic is locked in and bond is liquid. is there any other differences. the only reason i say this is because high interest savings accounts are melting down to zero rates. what would be the next savest investments are there. liquid

May 28, 2009
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Treasuries have lower yields than GICs, but treasury yields are rising. You may have to wait a long time to buy treasuries, but it's better than buying a bond only to find you could've waited for a higher yield (lower price). If you want higher yields now, you must leave the protective confines of deposit insurance and treasury guarantee. The time to lock in yields on guaranteed investments (treasuries & GICs) is long over.

May 28, 2009
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when high interest saving accounts and money market accounts hit zero interest where would u put your money. is there something outthere that is liquid that i do not know about

May 29, 2009
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Highly liquid risk-free investments (treasuries & savings accts) will always have yields comparable to, or less than, the prime rate. For their yields to be higher, the prime rate must be raised, and that requires a change in the country's interest rate policy. There are higher-yielding investments you don't know about, but they are not necessarily liquid and certainly not risk-free. By the way, you can no longer use "high interest" and "savings account" in the same sentence.

May 29, 2009
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i can get 5 year gic at 3.5. many bonds have lower yeilds than that. besides being locked in, is there any other advantage of having bonds compared to gic. or is that the only reason because gic is locked rate and bond is liquid

May 29, 2009
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Yes, bonds can be sold prior to maturity, and that is one advantage they have over non-cashable GICs. There are cashable GICs, which can be redeemed with full interest after 30, 60, or 90 days, but they have lower yields.

There is another advantage bonds have over GICs: treasury bonds and T-bills don't need deposit insurance. An institution may hold millions of dollars in T-bonds and T-bills without default risk.

May 29, 2009
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is there 30day or 60day or 60day tresidery bond and what are the rates and where do u buy them

May 30, 2009
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Canada Savings Bonds are the government equivalent of cashable GICs. (CSBs are not bonds; they are term deposits to the Gov't of Canada, and can be cashed before maturity.)

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