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AVOID "Knowledge First Financial (KFF)" for RESP - A legal SCAM
November 10, 2020
6:30 am
savemoresaveoften
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@bill
I cant agree with your "buyer beware" as the defense for such practice.

Just like when an investor loses on an investment and then claim "being dumb" and dont know, the judge will not side with the investor just because "they are dumb".

November 10, 2020
7:21 am
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I want to thank everybody on this thread for their super helpful advice. I have several children (some by adoption) and I put them all into KFF. Because of the strange staggering of how children joined our family, some have been in KFF a very long time (like 18 years!) and others have been in for very short periods (1 to 2 years).

Sadly, a couple of my "2 year KFF" children have already been charged ~$2K in fees each. My own dumb fault for not asking more questions.

Interestingly, some kids have not been charged any fees yet, perhaps a mistake on KFF's mismanaged side of things.

I think I'm going to move the "no fees yet" kids out of KFF and into Wealthsimple or QuestTrade, and fight the fees on my other $2K fee kids. The one who has been in for 18 years, I will just cash out - and I will also fight their additional ~$1K fee that they have been planning to levy against him.

This has been an invaluable discussion forum, thank you everybody! Now to figure out which company has better robots for RESP portfolios: Wealthsimple or QuestTrade 🙂

November 10, 2020
8:41 am
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Pretty sure you're well aware, wherever you go make sure it's a "family plan" RESP account (which is pretty much the norm these days anyway).

November 10, 2020
9:21 am
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trhaynes said
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Sadly, a couple of my "2 year KFF" children have already been charged ~$2K in fees each. My own dumb fault for not asking more questions.
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You may wish to have a look at an earlier discussion RESP with "Knowledge First Financial" about these group RESP plans.

We saw questionable sales and marketing. I also found hefty front-end loading of sales fees.

That front-end loading of sales fees you experienced is how parents, who had to drop out of the plans, lose not only the interest and the grants but also a significant portion of their contributions! In the example I gave back then, someone leaving at the end of year #2 would lose at least 2/3 of their contributions!

In general, with fees, one needs to weigh the fees paid, how ever significant, with what one gets for the fees. Some of my mutual funds charge 1% to 2% per annum in fees. Over 20 years that adds up to at least 20% to 40% of my initial investment. If the mutual funds are, after fees, now 4X my initial investment 20 years later, then it wasn't a bad deal.

November 10, 2020
1:14 pm
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trhaynes said
This has been an invaluable discussion forum, thank you everybody! Now to figure out which company has better robots for RESP portfolios: Wealthsimple or QuestTrade 🙂  

Honestly, I opened both to watch the exact same thing. However, I am only contributing to QuestWealth account (Daily contribution). So far, I think WealthSimple is doing slightly better. However, both provide dividends.

WealthSimple is really simple and straightfoward to use and so easy to do transfers. However, Questreade has a live chat support which is missed on WealthSimple.

You can do half half honestly. Open 2 accounts and move half to each. It is fun! And if you decide to move your fund, both of them cover transfer fees.

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