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Non-resident taxes
June 14, 2015
7:32 pm
geefer
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I am a Canadian citizen living and working in US. I just moved to US and will be declaring myself a none-resident for tax purposes. I have sold my house already and will be cutting the remaining ties (driver’s license , health card and other memberships).
Due to the currency exchange rates, I am intending to keep my CAD bank account in Canada till the conversion rates improve. My bank suggest me I open a GIC and invest the money and that I will only have to pay tax to CRA on the interest earned from Canadian investments.
I did my research and CRA website specifies it depends on case-by-case basis.
I certainly do not want to pay taxes to CRA on my US income, hence I cut all the primary and secondary ties with Canada. If I invest my Canadian dollars in a GIC or other investment in Canada, will I be paying taxes ONLY on these investment income or do I have to declare my US income as well?
Appreciate your advice.

June 14, 2015
9:01 pm
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You are getting bad advice from people at banks. The US-Canada tax treaty generally keeps you from paying taxes to both countries. It also includes tie breakers to determine from a taxation perspective whether you are a tax resident of Canada or the USA. Given what you have said, you would be a tax resident of the USA for most/all of 2015 and certainly 2016.

The tax treaty has provisions for withholding tax on certain types of income such as employment income, corporate dividends, and bond interest. However, whatever is withheld in this case by CRA, is a foreign tax credit on your US tax returns. In the case of money market funds and bank interest, and perhaps GIC interest, there will be no withholding taxes per the tax treaty. But as I already said, with some exceptions, whatever is withheld in Canada becomes a foreign tax credit in the USA. In other words, don't worry about it. Make the best financial decision for yourself. Finiki http://www.finiki.org/ and Serbinski's tax forum http://forums.serbinski.com/ have huge amounts of good cross-border tax information.

To respond to your question, only income earned (domiciled) in Canada would possibly be subject to Canadian withholding taxes. None of your US earned (domiciled) income is relevant to Canada when a tax resident of the USA. But all of your world income, including Canadian investment income, is subject to US income taxes because you will be a tax resident of USA.

Example: Earn $5000 investment income in Canada. Pay 10 (or 15) percent Canadian withholding taxes to CRA, e.g. let's say $500. When you do your US income taxes, you would declare $5000 of investment income earned in Canada on your tax return and declare a foreign tax credit of $500 against your US income taxes due. In other words, you get a credit for taxes paid to CRA.

June 15, 2015
8:49 am
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Have you looked at CRA form NR73?? http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg.....EADME.html NR73 Determination of Residency Status (Leaving Canada) This might be of some assistance. CRA use to have a separate office dedicated to international tax type questions, now it's just call the general inquiries line and get patched through to some so called specialist. Even after completing this form, indicating you are no longer a resident for tax purposes, you could still be considered a "deemed resident" for tax purposes. It basically comes down to the mood of the CRA agent that day. (have seen this happen in the office on more than one occasion) The days of commons sense are long gone at the revenue department!

AltaRed is correct in regards to the prevention of double taxation. You may not get dollar per dollar credit for taxes paid, but close to it. If you were still a resident here, the OETC (overseas employment tax credit) might come into play, depending on your employment, in the US, that's another bonus.

If you do become a non-resident, your bank can set up a "NR" (non resident withholding tax)
and directly submit to the revenue department.

June 15, 2015
10:25 am
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I agree someone at CRA could disagree with non-resident tax status, but it is the US-Canada tax treaty that ultimately overrides both the CRA and the IRS. Look at the tax treaty for tie-breaking rules if the OP wishes to get more comfort. Based on what the OP has said, it seems to be clear cut on having broke 'reasonable' ties with Canada. Keeping a bank account, even an investment account or RRSP, in Canada would not compromise the OP's status. I've kept bank accounts, RRSPs and taxable investment accounts in Canada while a non-resident with no issues... as long as the financial institutions have the proper US postal address on record. The financial insititutions will (should) automatically withhold the proper withholding amounts for submission to CRA.

I had a reverse situation about 15 yrs ago when working single status in Alaska. IRS tried to tax me as a US tax resident (1040) but my accountant pointed to the tie breakers in the tax treaty which said 'no' and IRS backed off and accepted my NR1040.

The OP has not said whether s/he had any other investments subject to capital gains, e.g. stocks and bonds in a 'taxable' (non-registered) investment portfolio, when leaving for the USA. If so, those will have been deemed to be sold at market value on the day of exit from Canada and cap gains (losses) will need to be included on the OP's tax return for the year of departure, e.g. 2015 tax return next April if the OP left Canada this year.

June 15, 2015
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Additional point: It is best not to keep a TFSA in Canada while a tax resident of the USA. The USA does not recognize TFSAs as retirement accounts and thus all income earned in the TFSA each year is taxable in the USA. There are also special forms to be filled out each year in the USA for Canadian held accounts like RRSPs to maintain tax exempt status. A TFSA will be considered a PFIC (private foreign investment company) and filings need to be made on them. For that matter, so are Canadian domiciled ETFs and mutual funds (I think basically anything set up as a trust).

June 15, 2015
6:49 pm
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Thank you so much for your advice.
Currently I have many residential ties to Canada (including a home) and will be selling them this year. This process is easy. Hence I will not be a none-resident of Canada for taxation year 2015. However starting next year, I will declare myself a none-resident and cut all ties (health card, drivers licesen ect)
As per information you provided, I will only have a credit card, a GIC and ETF’s which I have invested in the Canadian account. I intend to close all my account, withdraw cash and open a new “None-residents” account with my US address. This will allow me to NOT pay taxes to CRA on my US income.
I will continue to declare all my income in US when I file my taxes to IRA in 2016 and will receive tax credits for capital gains from Canada.

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