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Going with Tangerine & Alterna in order to save up for a mortgage?
December 5, 2016
5:18 pm
Damn_It_Jane
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Hi all! As you can tell I'm new to this forum, but I have been pouring over a lot of the articles here over the past 3 days and while it's somewhat overwhelming I learned a lot :)

So here's the thing: I'm trying to save money in order to buy a home sometime in the near future. Currently I have 1,200 in my checking account with high checking fees (I'm with TD) and a paltry 1,200 in my savings account but no debt or loans that I need to pay off.

From reading the forums I've determined that switching over to Tangerine for my checking account and going with Alterna Bank (Savings? so confusing) for a TFSA (or an eTFSA) account is my best bet in order to start saving properly towards a condo.

Scenario A:
Tangerine checking account
- 0.25% interest
- no fees on withdrawals
Alterna high interest savings account
- 1.95% interest rate (is this for their TFSA or just for their eTFSA account? this confused me while researching them)
- ?? can't think of anything else!

or
Tangerine checking account AND a high savings interest account (TFSA)
I read that their savings account interest rate falls down to 0.8% after the initial offering of 2% however I read an article here that seems to suggest that they'll give you a higher rate permanetly if you ask/barter with them regarding the rate? But I'm assuming I won't get higher than 1.95-2%

I'm trying to save up a maximum of 70k for a downpayment.
What do you guys think? Which option sounds the best to you if you were in my position? Or is there anything else i should know/beware about? I'd really love some feedback or hear any suggestions that you may have. Thanks :)

December 6, 2016
9:18 am
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Way to go! You have a start and are on the right track. Eq bank is 2 percent and hasn't changed in a while. Alterna at 1.95 has also been steady at the same rate.
Watch for promotions from tangerine, once you get 1 promotion you can sometimes keep the good rate going.
I also like accelerate at 1.7, they have consistently given me good rates for 6 years. Good luck, so nice to hear about individuals taking their finances seriously.

December 6, 2016
10:04 am
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EQ does have 2% but they don't offer TFSA. So you're better off at Alterna until you hit TFSA limit. Yes, Alterna has the TFSA.

You might also need an everyday savings account but hardly worth an extra account at EQ for so little difference. on what would be a small amount of money.

I'm guessing you're not planning on buying a house within the next year as you still have a long way to go. So, you might consider one year GICs for some of your money, which pays a bit more. I like the Hubert one at 2.05, but there are others. Check Oaken and Peoples for their current rates. Most of these have very low minimums, so, every time you get a bit of money, you can get another GIC at prevailing rates, as long as you're at least a year away from buying.

Tangerine often has bonuses for people opening new accounts. I'd wait until the new year and see what they offer. Also, as toto said, you might get a promo higher interest offer. There are various short term promos from time to time which are worth pursuing if you want to squeeze all you can out of your money.

PC Financial also often has special offers for new accounts and so on.

Tangerine for checking is fine, and they have the mobile app. Good customer service.

The name of Alterna is confusing, as you have noted. You want Alternabank.ca . You don't want Alterna Credit Union. The credit union owns the bank. The Credit Union per se doesn't do online and doesn't have the high rates.

I don't think you'll ever get a long term promo offer from Tangerine! They are owned by Scotia and are behaving more and more like them. But it's worth watching for promo rates, which can be better than others.

Keep your eyes on this forum as things do change from time to time.

I think you're first scenario is good.

Good luck!

December 6, 2016
5:01 pm
Damn_It_Jane
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toto said

Way to go! You have a start and are on the right track. Eq bank is 2 percent and hasn't changed in a while. Alterna at 1.95 has also been steady at the same rate.
Watch for promotions from tangerine, once you get 1 promotion you can sometimes keep the good rate going.
I also like accelerate at 1.7, they have consistently given me good rates for 6 years. Good luck, so nice to hear about individuals taking their finances seriously.

Thank you! :) I've been neglectful in the past and honestly didn't have a lot of interest in investing before (which has now bit me in the butt) but I'm trying to make up for it now haha.
Thank you for your advice! I see you're with Accelerate but have you tried EQ yourself?

December 6, 2016
5:42 pm
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Loonie said

EQ does have 2% but they don't offer TFSA. So you're better off at Alterna until you hit TFSA limit. Yes, Alterna has the TFSA.

Hi there! So that means EQ is just a regular savings account and I think I also read it doesn't have a transit number? Good to know!

I'm guessing you're not planning on buying a house within the next year as you still have a long way to go. So, you might consider one year GICs for some of your money, which pays a bit more. I like the Hubert one at 2.05, but there are others. Check Oaken and Peoples for their current rates. Most of these have very low minimums, so, every time you get a bit of money, you can get another GIC at prevailing rates, as long as you're at least a year away from buying.

Well... I was *hoping* to at least put down a down payment for a mortgage on a condo by the end of 2017 but that might be overly ambitious hehe. I'm sorry to say but I'm not too familiar at the moment with GICs but from what I understand they are like safer stocks...In that if you put down say $1000 say if it grows then it's great but if the rates fall you still keep the principal amount you invested aka the $1000 correct?

Tangerine often has bonuses for people opening new accounts. I'd wait until the new year and see what they offer. Also, as toto said, you might get a promo higher interest offer. There are various short term promos from time to time which are worth pursuing if you want to squeeze all you can out of your money.

Yeah I was hoping to take advantage of some of their promos soon! From reading what others have said, it seems that people do "TFSA hopping" with different banks for maximum earning potential. So they sign up with Tangerine, then after the promo is over, they put it with EQ for example. I thought these interest rates are annual so how can someone earn enough at 3 months to take the money out w/out any penalty from the bank & then transfer it elsewhere? Also can you have 2 different TFSAs with 2 different banks and say if you have 3k in both, does that count toward the 5.5k limit or would the gov't still tax you for going over the TFSA contribution limit?

The name of Alterna is confusing, as you have noted. You want Alternabank.ca . You don't want Alterna Credit Union. The credit union owns the bank. The Credit Union per se doesn't do online and doesn't have the high rates.

I don't think you'll ever get a long term promo offer from Tangerine! They are owned by Scotia and are behaving more and more like them. But it's worth watching for promo rates, which can be better than others.

Keep your eyes on this forum as things do change from time to time.

I think you're first scenario is good.

Good luck!

Wow Loonie thank you for all the advice! It's very thorough, and I've read over your other replies (/creeper). I've learned a lot from you, thanks so much :)

December 6, 2016
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Damn_It_Jane said

Yeah I was hoping to take advantage of some of their promos soon! From reading what others have said, it seems that people do "TFSA hopping" with different banks for maximum earning potential. So they sign up with Tangerine, then after the promo is over, they put it with EQ for example. I thought these interest rates are annual so how can someone earn enough at 3 months to take the money out w/out any penalty from the bank & then transfer it elsewhere?

All that hopping is mostly done with money in a regular savings account. The offers and the account hopping may not make sense with registered accounts, like TFSA's.

Many financial institutions charge a service fee to transfer out a TFSA. Tangerine Bank and Alterna Bank currently charge $50. As a result, one's negotiating position with money in a TFSA is weaker. The financial institutions know that and don't always extend their rate offers to TFSA savings accounts.

Also can you have 2 different TFSAs with 2 different banks and say if you have 3k in both, does that count toward the 5.5k limit or would the gov't still tax you for going over the TFSA contribution limit?

Yes, one can have more than one TFSA account.

The TFSA contribution limit is the limit across all one's TFSA accounts. There isn't a separate contribution limit for each TFSA account.

Contributing $3,000 each to two TFSA accounts when one has a contribution limit of $5,500 will result in $500 of over-contribution.

December 6, 2016
10:03 pm
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I agree with Norman.

The transfer fee for TFSAs may not matter to you if you just plan to cash it all in and put it into your house. While they charge for transferring your TFSA to another financial institution, most don't charge (or charge very little) simply to withdraw the money.

A few charge no transfer fee, e.g. Hubert, Peoples. However, that might change at some later time.

You sound confused about GICs. A GIC is a Guaranteed Investment Certificate. Most of the institutions don't offer an actual printed certificate any more, but it's the same thing. It's as safe as a bank account and is guaranteed by CDIC or the credit union insurance agencies in the same way that a regular account would be. The difference between GIC and bank account is that the GIC pays a different rate of interest (not necessarily higher) and the rate is guaranteed for a specific length of time. In addition, most GICs cannot be cashed during the period in question. However, Hubert does allow you to cash their one year GICs with no penalty, which is one of the reasons I like them. The trick is to recognize that the rate on this particular GIC is graduated, so that the rate you get in the last 3 months is significantly higher than what you get in the first 3 months. In addition, if you should need to cash it before the year is out, you should aim for the date that the quarterly interest is deposited because no interest is given for partial quarters. A GIC can be held inside or outside of a TFSA or RSP. If you hold for the whole year, Hubert's rate is 2.05% right now. But if you think there is a serious chance of buying within a year, then this is not your best alternative.

The problem with having TFSAs in more than one institution is that you may be liable for more than one transfer fee when you want to move them.

December 7, 2016
2:01 pm
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Damn_It_Jane said

toto said

Way to go! You have a start and are on the right track. Eq bank is 2 percent and hasn't changed in a while. Alterna at 1.95 has also been steady at the same rate.
Watch for promotions from tangerine, once you get 1 promotion you can sometimes keep the good rate going.
I also like accelerate at 1.7, they have consistently given me good rates for 6 years. Good luck, so nice to hear about individuals taking their finances seriously.

Thank you! :) I've been neglectful in the past and honestly didn't have a lot of interest in investing before (which has now bit me in the butt) but I'm trying to make up for it now haha.
Thank you for your advice! I see you're with Accelerate but have you tried EQ yourself?

I use most of the banks on this website. I guess we all have our favourites for rates and customer service etc. I have been very lucky at tangerine though. Have received roll over promotions at 3 percent from them all year! I feel confident going over the insured level there, so keep lots there.
Our starts may be similar. Had a small pot of money and built wealth slowly, I just had a mediocre job and only a high school eduction but stuck with it and lived within my means and didn't risk investments and now my money works for me, instead of me working for the money.
If I can do it you can too. I always watch this blog. It has been my BIBLE!

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