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EQ bank: 3.00% with TFSA and RSP
December 13, 2022
4:53 am
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On EQ Bank account web page:

We’re excited to announce an increased interest rate on registered savings accounts! Effective Tuesday, December 13, 2022, the TFSA Savings Account, and RSP Savings Account now come with 3.00% interest*. *Annual interest; calculated daily, paid monthly.

December 13, 2022
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Alexandre said
On EQ Bank account web page:

We’re excited to announce an increased interest rate on registered savings accounts! Effective Tuesday, December 13, 2022, the TFSA Savings Account, and RSP Savings Account now come with 3.00% interest*. *Annual interest; calculated daily, paid monthly.

  

While reducing GIC rates ...

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December 13, 2022
6:04 am
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That is enough to go against other 3% competitors because their TFSA is still free to transfer out.

December 14, 2022
5:47 am
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3.00% is not bad for regular interest rate these days. I plan to use that to full extent of my TFSA contribution limits.

December 14, 2022
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Alexandre said
3.00% is not bad for regular interest rate these days. I plan to use that to full extent of my TFSA contribution limits.  

Re: TFSA, I would just say, I'm skeptical of their "playbook". Ie; are they setting up to capture people's cash in January and then a few months later, make themselves noncompetitive again, knowing people generally won't pull funds out until late in the year because of tax.... Hmm, its December, maybe also its to try and retain funds people are planning to withdraw because of the rates they have had for months.

Got 'burned' this way by CT Financial 2 years in a row back in the early days of TFSA.

I'm always wary when the regular HISA doesn't have the same rate, because I ask what is the real reason. sf-frown

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December 14, 2022
9:57 am
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dougjp said

Re: TFSA, I would just say, I'm skeptical of their "playbook". Ie; are they setting up to capture people's cash in January and then a few months later, make themselves noncompetitive again, knowing people generally won't pull funds out until late in the year because of tax.... Hmm, its December, maybe also its to try and retain funds people are planning to withdraw because of the rates they have had for months.

Got 'burned' this way by CT Financial 2 years in a row back in the early days of TFSA.

I'm always wary when the regular HISA doesn't have the same rate, because I ask what is the real reason. sf-frown  

Interest rates in an HISA can change at any time - all of the FIs can do that. I suspect in 2023 interest rates are more likely to start dropping rather than increasing or staying the same. If you are worried about rates dropping, then buy a GIC for your TFSA.

December 14, 2022
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I call those new customer promo rate for any registered account (esp TFSA) a sucker rate, esp if coming from the big banks.

Unless BoC starts cutting rate, 3% HISA should be pretty sticky for the next little while IMHO

December 14, 2022
10:36 am
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EQ hasn't even bothered to guarantee the rate for a few months this time. Even though transfers are free, there will be delays.
My advice?: Avoid!

December 14, 2022
11:14 am
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Loonie said
EQ hasn't even bothered to guarantee the rate for a few months this time. Even though transfers are free, there will be delays.
My advice?: Avoid!  

Why should EQ guarantee the rate? Most other FIs do not guarantee the rate.
EQ is not the highest but it is certainly not the lowest either at 3.0%. I believe Doug's analysis in another thread indicated that EQ was run very efficiently. Personally I like EQ's interface, allowing a large number of external linked accounts and ease of moving funds in and out, free interac etransfers and NO service charges at all. No FI is perfect for every person, but EQ is pretty good compared to others.

December 14, 2022
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EQB is one of my TFSA GIC considerations for 2023. Other than that, $1 is all we're putting there without a higher HISA rate and joint GIC's.

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December 14, 2022
5:33 pm
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I've used EQ on and off pretty regularly since day one, very easy to use, no issues, works very well for my needs. Couldn't care less about them not offering joint accounts, negligible impact on my assessment of EQ. Right now we have some in TFSA GICs, I'm not averse to pulling it out when it matures if their rates are not competitive, just recontribute it somewhere the next year, i.e. some folks seem to forget you can just withdraw your TFSA money, no need to be trapped.

December 15, 2022
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canadian.100 said

Why should EQ guarantee the rate? Most other FIs do not guarantee the rate.
 

Whether they "should" or not is entirely up to them.

As a consumer, I pursue what's best for me. In a savings account, EQ is competing against promos that do offer guarantees for X months/days and pay much better. With RSP/TFSA season fast approaching, they are simply trying to get ahead of competitors, hoping we will plunk our money down and forget about it.

We haven't found a use for our EQ accounts for a long time. We have always found something that's better for us.

December 15, 2022
2:37 pm
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Loonie said

As a consumer, I pursue what's best for me. In a savings account, EQ is competing against promos that do offer guarantees for X months/days and pay much better. With RSP/TFSA season fast approaching, they are simply trying to get ahead of competitors, hoping we will plunk our money down and forget about it.

We haven't found a use for our EQ accounts for a long time. We have always found something that's better for us.  

I have not had a TFSA since the fall of 2022 - the TFSA cash was completely withdrawn and used for another purpose. I think I may start/restart a TFSA - January 2023 - so which FI would you recommend? I could do either a HISA or GIC or a combo of HISA and GICs. What recommendation would you make for an FI for a TFSA lump sum contribution to be put starting in Jan 2023?

December 15, 2022
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I have a personal rule I follow, to never buy a GIC in a TFSA in the first half of any year. That assumes GICs are only available in 1,2,3,4, or 5 year terms. To do so means having (effectively) 'trapped' funds.

As pretty much everybody knows about TFSA's by now, the trap I'm talking about is tax. If the bank becomes non-competitive, say around March/April as some have proven to intentionally do in the past (been burned before and therefore follow what they do, year over year), you are effectively stuck waiting until December to withdraw, because withdrawing means suddenly taxing the interest outside for some time.

And I will never put my faith in any Bank processing fast a withdrawal of an entire TFSA out to another Bank (I've read many EQ stories), nor will I ever pay processing fees. On the latter point, I would suggest anyone thinking of this do a calculation of net interest gain over 1 year after subtracting a fee, before ever buying into anybody's TFSA.

For me, the way things look right now, my preference is an ISA within a TFSA, in an Investment account. Not only are the rates competitive, its sheltering tax free on the highest taxed rate product (ie; interest), and the option exists to move into stocks/bonds/whatever.

A lot of people think stocks is the way to go within a TFSA, however unless one has no cash left after investing, I believe any cash should be in interest bearing instruments, tax sheltered. Just my take on things, because you asked. sf-smile

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December 15, 2022
5:23 pm
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Thank-you dougip - you raise some good points. I agree that it is better for the TFSA to invest in interest bearing instruments since one would get high interest while avoiding the higher tax on that interest if it were outside the TFSA.

As far as GICs, there are some FIs that allow short term under one year GICs eg EQ, Hubert (with its quarterly cashable Terms) and perhaps others. So several short term GICs eg 3 month, 6 month, 9 month etc. would avoid being locked in for a full year and become available to reinvest if rates go up.

Your thought about the ISA is interesting too - and worth consideration - I know since at iTrade the DYN6004 ISA earns over 4% now and might go higher in 2023 - and it is covered by CDIC and there is flexibility to move that cash into other instruments which might become attractive at the time.
Some good information to think about. Thx.

December 15, 2022
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canadian.100 said

I have not had a TFSA since the fall of 2022 - the TFSA cash was completely withdrawn and used for another purpose. I think I may start/restart a TFSA - January 2023 - so which FI would you recommend? I could do either a HISA or GIC or a combo of HISA and GICs. What recommendation would you make for an FI for a TFSA lump sum contribution to be put starting in Jan 2023?  

I'm not sure if you really want my opinion, but I'd wait to see what is available in January and February.
I don't think it's worth it to deposit it somewhere and then expect to transfer it in short order early in the year when something better comes along. Transfer times at that time of year are unreliable, and then you miss the longer-term deal elsewhere. I'd happily sacrifice the tax saving for a short time until I saw what the TFSA GIC landscape looked like in the new year. If a great deal came up in the first week of January, I'd take it! But I'd also be willing to it a few weeks since I've learned from experience that the FIs that trot out their deals early are often not the best ones and best deal may come in February.

December 16, 2022
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Loonie said

I'm not sure if you really want my opinion, but I'd wait to see what is available in January and February.
I don't think it's worth it to deposit it somewhere and then expect to transfer it in short order early in the year when something better comes along. Transfer times at that time of year are unreliable, and then you miss the longer-term deal elsewhere. I'd happily sacrifice the tax saving for a short time until I saw what the TFSA GIC landscape looked like in the new year. If a great deal came up in the first week of January, I'd take it! But I'd also be willing to it a few weeks since I've learned from experience that the FIs that trot out their deals early are often not the best ones and best deal may come in February.  

Sure. I can't redeposit (to TFSA) until January 2023 at earliest - it does not take more than a few days to transfer in. The funds are presently earning 4.5% (but in a taxable non registered HISA) so perhaps that works out not much different than a TFSA HISA @ 3% non taxable. I am in no panic to move to TFSA if I still get 4.5% in HISA although it is taxable.

December 16, 2022
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canadian.100 said

Interest rates in an HISA can change at any time - all of the FIs can do that. I suspect in 2023 interest rates are more likely to start dropping rather than increasing or staying the same. If you are worried about rates dropping, then buy a GIC for your TFSA.  

I expect rates to plateau before they drop. This is when it may be right time to lock funds in GIC, in my opinion.

Everyone's situation is different. I am not as much of a rate chaser I used to be just a year ago. This is when, among other things, I bought EQ RRSP 1yr GIC at quite attractive 2% rate.
Yes, I hear you laughing, and I laugh, too. What a difference a year can make.

These days my income including from HISA interest confidently exceeds my expenses, thanks to high Savings rates, so I am becoming more of "quick access to my funds" guy. Till rates drop.

December 16, 2022
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Interest rates CAN drop suddenly and precipitously.
If your goal is a GIC, I recommend keeping the money accessible at an FI that has chequing option for immediate deposit. This wouldn't work for an EQ GIC, but the only thing that works for an EQ GIC in a hurry is to keep your cash at EQ, for which the current non-registered rate is 2.5%; and, even then, no joint GICs.
If you find that attractive, it's all yours!

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