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August 3, 2020
10:47 am
Norman1
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EQ Bank's Joint Savings Plus Account does support up to four account holders. So, one could multiply the CDIC coverage by various subsets of joint owners that include the parents as well.

As Bill and AltaRed pointed out, it is risky to give so many people access to the funds. I question if it is worth the risk for the extra ¼% per annum at EQ Bank over placing what is above $100,000 at Hubert for 1¾%.

August 3, 2020
12:10 pm
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One thing I just discovered was the ease of linking external accounts. Using their list of other FI's, was set up in minutes. untitled2.jpg
Have to log in through EQ using log in information for the FI you want to link, select which account, and voila! Linked 3 accounts at 2 FI's from the list, and waiting for micro deposits for the 3rd FI. If you are comfortable logging in to another FI through EQ, it's by far the easiest and quickest linking I've seen.

August 3, 2020
1:04 pm
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Rick said
Have to log in through EQ using log in information for the FI you want to link, select which account, and voila! Linked 3 accounts at 2 FI's from the list, and waiting for micro deposits for the 3rd FI. If you are comfortable logging in to another FI through EQ, it's by far the easiest and quickest linking I've seen.  

Even if you are comfortable logging in to another FI through EQ, I suggest changing password at that another FI account after successful linking.

I took even more precautions:

1. Before attempting to link account, I changed password at another FI to temporary password just for occasion.
2. Linked account using that temporary password.
3. After linking was successful, changed password at another FI to original.

You never know what ransomware is running at the back end responsible for linking accounts, and what data it collects.

August 3, 2020
2:05 pm
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I forget but is there a limit to the number of accounts EQ allows you to register $?
(I know that you can link FROM other banks to EQ with no theoretical limit).

August 3, 2020
2:37 pm
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According to their FAQ, the current limit is ten external accounts:

How many bank accounts can I link to my EQ Bank account?
You can link up to 10 other external accounts to your EQ Bank account.

August 3, 2020
3:03 pm
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10, and you can't delete them self-serve, but I think you can call and have them remove some. Tangerine is worse in that it's only 3, but better on that you can delete at will. AFAIK Tangerine only allows micro-deposits which takes a few days.

August 3, 2020
3:43 pm
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I really can't see any need for four account members in most situations. It could get awfully confusing, especially for executors dealing with the bank and distributions later when one of them dies.
I wouldn't set up four unless each had a legitimate need or claim to access the funds - perhaps four housemates, loan, alternative to POA when banks are difficult to deal with, saving for a joint purchase, or something like that.

August 3, 2020
3:48 pm
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Norman1 said
According to their FAQ, the current limit is ten external accounts:

How many bank accounts can I link to my EQ Bank account?
You can link up to 10 other external accounts to your EQ Bank account.

  

Thanks.

August 3, 2020
6:43 pm
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Thanks for the insight everyone but I am curious as to how the primary account holder Is determined in a joint account? Aren’t both people considered equal? Or do they trace back to the account that “funded” the joint account to determine that? Or am I just stressing over something very trivial and just pick someone in the Joint account to submit the T5 interest come tax time?

August 3, 2020
6:56 pm
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The primary account holder doesn't have to do with funding or ownership per se. The FI has to put down someone as primary, that's all.
With many FIs, however, it can mean that only the primary has full online access to the statements etc. The T5 will be sent to the primary's address.
So, basically you should choose the person who looks after the bookkeeping to be the primary.

It's a little different with Tangerine and its idiosyncratic marketing ploys.
They only allow 2 joint accoiunt holders as far as I know. If there is a promo rate to be had, it will only apply if the primary account holder gets it. However, there is nohting to prevent 2 joint account holders from each opening up a joint account with the other; you just have to remember that these two accounts together will only have 100K insurance from CDIC.

August 3, 2020
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Joint owners are "considered equal". But usually with the online application for an account someone (primary) starts the application and at some point it asks you if this is going to be a joint account. After indicating yes the secondary person's info is entered. So it's up to you who's data you input first and then second, your choice, no-one else really cares.

Or sometimes an existing single account can be made joint by adding a secondary person, though I'm not sure if online banks work that way too.

I always make sure the primary is the person who's going to be reporting the interest income to CRA because it's the primary's SIN that's going to be on the T5, CRA will have no questions if the T5 SIN matches the person reporting the interest.

August 3, 2020
9:15 pm
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Thanks everyone. I appreciate the teaching.

August 4, 2020
5:15 am
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Bill said

I always make sure the primary is the person who's going to be reporting the interest income to CRA because it's the primary's SIN that's going to be on the T5, CRA will have no questions if the T5 SIN matches the person reporting the interest.  

Could you clarify your meaning here, Bill?
Let's say someone has $400K and they want to deposit it at a bank in such a way that it can all be CDIC-insured and they also want to avoid probate tax before their four beneficiaries will inherit equally.
Are you saying that they should set up 4 joint accounts, with the beneficiaries being the primary account holders, one for each account, with the expectation that each primary account holder would report the interest earned on the account where they are primary on their T1?

August 4, 2020
9:06 am
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I know the question was directed at Bill, but here is my experience wrt CRA and T5s.

First of all, the T5 has a box that indicates whether the investment is joint or not. The number "1" indicates sole owner. A "2" indicates a joint investment. One time I filed my and my wife's T1s while ignoring whose name was "first" (primary) on the T5. This is because we split everytthing 50-50. I was subject to an audit because the T5 income reported on my return did not match the T5s issued. My error was not paying enough attention to which name was first on the T5. The person who is named first must report the T5. Then you can decide how the income is split, if it is joint. The primary investor may claim 100% or a lesser % of the income. I do not know what would happen if the primary name claimed $0. We have joint GICs with our son. The investments are his, his name appears first and he claims 100% of the interest even though the T5 indicates joint ownership.

My advice is that a person claiming at least part of the interest income should be named first. IMHO, if an individual is just a beneficiary, his/her name should not appear first unless they are actually going to report the T5 on their tax return.

August 4, 2020
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Loonie said

Could you clarify your meaning here, Bill?
Let's say someone has $400K and they want to deposit it at a bank in such a way that it can all be CDIC-insured and they also want to avoid probate tax before their four beneficiaries will inherit equally.
Are you saying that they should set up 4 joint accounts, with the beneficiaries being the primary account holders, one for each account, with the expectation that each primary account holder would report the interest earned on the account where they are primary on their T1?  

Bill is simply saying that to avoid potential questions from the CRA about mismatches between whose name the T5 is in, and who actually reports interest income on their annual tax return, it is best that the primary owner of the funds be listed first for T5 purposes.

It is not terribly relevant whose name is first or second in a JTWROS account for estate purposes. The surviving joint account owner normally automatically owns the proceeds in such undivided interest accounts, save for situations in which it is intended that the surviving owner not have a beneficial interest, e.g. parent/child for POA equivalent purposes.

Added: I agree with what post #34 just said too in his/her last para.

August 4, 2020
9:45 am
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RBC Wealth: Income from Joint Accounts has details about the T3 or T5 slip filing when the account is joint.

As AltaRed and Bill wrote, it makes more sense that the primary holder be one of the joint account holders who will be reporting some of the T3 or T5 slip income. That will be the holder whose SIN will be on the slip and to whom the slip will be mailed to.

If the primary holder won't be reporting any of the income, the primary holder still needs to attach the slip to his/her return but with a note that 0% of the slip is being reported. The primary holder would then send copies of the slip to the other joint holders for them to attach and report their portions on their returns.

Doing all that is fine. But, it is needless work for the primary holder.

August 4, 2020
2:28 pm
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I think it's all been covered by the replies here. Just to add:

The Income Tax Act rules are that joint owners should report the interest income from their portion, their contribution, to the joint account. However in this case CRA seems to ignore the Act they're charged with administering as my experience is that as long as the T5 amount, which is always issued indicating the primary's SIN, is reported by the primary then CRA is happy, their computer matches the T5 SIN with that SIN's return interest amount reported and CRA is happy if the amounts are the same, the return is not kicked out by the CRA computer for audit, no follow-up by CRA. That's what I try to do, I give CRA whatever will keep them happy, i.e. away from me. So spouses can easily set up joint accounts making whoever they want to report the interest income as the primary, and my experience is CRA never questions it. Maybe not so critical if you're a senior and can otherwise move enough income between partners via pension income splitting provisions.

August 5, 2020
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Just got an email from them. Rate will go down to 1.70% tomorrow.

August 5, 2020
7:46 am
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Thank you for that, I never get emails from EQ. I have a 2.0% offer from Tangerine, which was technically better though the same rate. Tangerine guarantees their promo rates (unlike some banks) so AFAIK when their regular went from 0.25% to 0.20%, the bonus should have gone from 1.75% to 1.80%.

The reason I left my money at EQ despite that, was I don't like Tangerine's model of constant promos. Sadly (seriously, sadly) my principles don't extend to 0.30%. My father (for example) would probably not compromise for only 0.30%.

August 5, 2020
8:29 am
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I got the same e-mail from EQ. I guess I'll move what I have to CIBC today. Tangerine is a bit better at 2.5% but my linked bank is CIBC with EQ so it would probably take til mid next week before I could get it to Tangerine.

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