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March 16, 2020
8:57 am
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Thanks , this site is sure helpful since I can't reach investorline by phone to ask questions .
I've got my investorline funded and some equities picked out. I'm looking at dividend payout ratios as a guide.
New to investorline, so much to learn!

March 16, 2020
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DIYers trade online. No need for phone calls. I made both a buy and a sell. Instantaneous as expected.

March 16, 2020
5:21 pm
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Yes I'm going to do my trades online , i meant when i was getting familiar with investorline and needed to aska few questions , they were busy with the meltdown.

March 17, 2020
2:36 am
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AltaRed said

These ISAs (AAT770 for example) are bought and sold like mutual funds so they have a T+1 settlement. Which is fine because whatever you buy on the market will have a T+2 settlement. That way you can buy your stock on Day 1, sell enough of your ISA on the same day that you bought your stock, and the cash will be there at the end of Day 2, in time to pay for your stock when it settles on Day 3.

I always wait until Day 2 to sell AAT770. That way, besides earning interest for another day, I can reduce the sale amount if some dividend or GIC interest is posted on Day 2.

March 18, 2020
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Funded bmo investorline from my bmo account. Request is showing , 5 days and tge y haven't moved it into my cash account.
I finally got them on the phone, and they said it's taking longer than that now to simply move bmo account funds into bmo investorline.
I thought it would be instant.

March 18, 2020
11:46 am
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Unfortunately, BMO still have archaic systems whereby banking and brokerage systems dont talk to each other. So they have a patch called 'Move my Money'. That said, it is not supposed to be more than 1, maybe 2, business days.

March 18, 2020
1:35 pm
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Yes I used the move my money.
They said with all the backup in orders with the market it could take days to get it to my cash account.
They said I could still trade though, even though it's not there. Order gets backdated.
I don't feel comfortable with that though.

March 18, 2020
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Do you not have a BMO AccountLink chequing account associated with your BMO InvestorLine account, toto?

One can deposit cheques at an ATM into the AccountLink chequing account after adding it to your BMO bank card. One can transfer funds from another BMO account into it. One can even push funds into it and pull funds out of it at another financial institution, just like any other chequing account.

Overnight, the funds will become available for trades through your BMO InvestorLine cash or margin account.

I've not tried this method. But, apparently BMO InvestorLine accounts can also receive funds through bill payments: InvestorLine FAQ: Account Features

March 18, 2020
8:05 pm
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I use both of those mechanisms: AccountLink for funds in my BMO chequing account, and Bill Pay via Scotia Chequong. Or I use EQ Bank to push funds to my BMO AccoubtLink. One would only use Move my Money for non-linked BMO accounts like a savings account.

March 19, 2020
5:27 am
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Can one add the AccountLink chequing account and the BMO savings account to one's BMO online banking profile?

That way, one can move funds between the accounts oneself via online banking.

March 19, 2020
7:47 am
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Yes I used both. Link and bmo account . Because of the high volume they are unable to process in a timely manner.
Frustrating because last night I transferred money from wealth one to tangerine , and it's there this morning!

March 19, 2020
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What I meant was that one should move money through the regular BMO Bank of Montreal online banking site. Not through the BMO InvestorLine site.

It sounds like when someone goes through the BMO InvestorLine site and does "Move My Money" through Account Services, it creates a request for some agent to later process.

In contrast, when one goes through the BMO Bank of Montreal online banking site (or an ATM using the BMO debit card) and transfers funds from a BMO savings account to the AccountLink chequing account, it should be instant. The additional purchasing power would visible the next day on the BMO InvestorLine site.

March 19, 2020
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Thanks Norman1, I'll try that .
I thought the money mover would be instant, I'm in process of calling them again too, hoping I can talk to next level , because the request I made through money mover I can't change mid stream of course, and it's a large amount.
Long wait times.

March 19, 2020
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It was reasonable to think the BMO InvestorLine "Move Your Money" feature would be instantaneous. But, what really happens behind the scenes can be surprising.

Reminds me of an old story about an electronic billing service offered by former online company CompuServe. One user kept on getting dinged by late fees by his utility company for paying his bill late.

He called the utility company to complain. He thought their accounts receivable department should get their act together and post his electronic bill payments to his account promptly, instead of a week or two later.

Customer was surprised the agent knew about him!

"So, you're the one who mails in those strange-looking corporate cheques to pay their bill!" sf-surprised

March 19, 2020
3:47 pm
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Good story Norman1!
I have an update to my frustration. After a 3 hour hold ( thank God for bluetooth) I got an agent that expedited my digital order immediately.
He said it wouldn't show up in my trading account until tomorrow though, but I could trade right away.
He said I did the transaction right , normally it would take 1 day tops. So happy that that got resolved before the weekend. Thanks everyone for the help with investorline.

March 20, 2020
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Thanks for the update, toto. Glad to hear you were able get through eventually.

Now we know that "Move Your Money" feature in BMO InvestorLine should be avoided. It seems to generate a request to an agent to transfer the funds! It doesn't do an actual transfer, like going to BMO online banking or to an ATM and doing a transfer to the associated AccountLink chequing account.

March 20, 2020
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Yes , I will do transfers through bmo online in future. Though it seemed the agent preferred I use money mover .
The money was I my investorline account this morning ready to go, now I'll try to make some good dividend stock choices.

March 30, 2020
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Finally felt confident enough to put through a couple trades .
I put a lower bid in , so may not get them.
Investorline seems easy to use, lots of info on the site.
Not risking alot, Gic's still my bread and butter. Is anyone else buying stocks now or are you waiting?

March 31, 2020
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toto ... you sound so much like 'me'; all in with GICs, but just started on Friday with an individual stock buy through my TDDI account.

Wife and I had a lot of our net worth in mutual funds when the 2009 banking crisis hit. We pretty much rode it to the bottom (vs panic selling), and eventually, over many years, they came back, but not without significant losses via annual MER charges.
After that we bailed on equities, and setup various GIC strategies. Slept much better after that. 😉

So, like you, it seems like a good time to research some individual, solid dividend paying stocks; I'm mostly looking at banks, or maybe a bank style ETF, and a few others.
For now 5% of net worth is what I'm comfortable investing; that may change as we have a significant number of GICs maturing in the last 5 months of this year.

Doug ...In post 5 you said '... The only one I wouldn't recommend, really, is TD Direct Investing...'
Just curious what led to that comment? I've only ever had TDDI (aka TD Waterhouse), as a discount brokerage, so hard for me to compare, but can't say I've ever had a big issue with them, either by phone or online.

March 31, 2020
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Thanks Jim. Yes we are very similar , as we are going 5-7 percent of net worth in equities too, and we also have some maturities in the next 5 months , hoping that rates at that time will be ok.
We swore off equities in the 2008-2009 downturn too, decided to protect our capital with Gics and not risk.
Now we feel we can try some trading. I started with some small trades , with a bank and utility .

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